[Wiki Loves Monuments] WLM photos are deleted on Commons
olatunde olalekan isaac
reachout2isaac at gmail.com
Sat Sep 17 19:52:41 UTC 2016
TL:DR. Please, bare in mind that Common community have policies regarding
copyright which they will never ignore for a contest like this. Thus, you
need not lose your cool and make personal remarks in accusing reviewers of
intimidating WLM participants. Such assertion is untrue because we are in
this together. We should not pretend that what we are experiencing now is
expected. I agree with Lodewijk that Wikimedia Commons community is not
always easy or fun to work with but we just have to deal with it. There are
thousands of files waiting for review and there are few regular users
patrolling new files or reviewing them. If a reviewer nominate a file for
deletion in a way you consider inappropriate, try to discuss with the user.
The reviewer could be under stress as at the time they were reviewing the
files. BTW, it's a red flag when username don't seem to match with
copyright information on metadata, thus reviewer may decide to nominate
such files for deletion per our precautionary principle. This is not
uncommon and such actions are usually not considered destructive or attacks
on participant. Alexander, your username is "User:Atsrlin" and if on your
camera metadata, the author is "Merlin" for example, reviewer may not
assume that your real name is Merlin unless you already state it on your
user page or elsewhere because Atsrlin could mean something totally
different in your country and may be unconnected with Merlin. In reality,
you're Alexander and Merlin is a different person who may probably come
around to raise concerns about infringement of their copyright in the
Here is another participant, User:James John Borg
Looking at the metadata of their uploads
shows that the copyright holder of the files is "* Joshua Schembri*".
Should a reviewer simply assume that "James John Borg" is the same person
as "Joshua Schembri"? In most cases uploaders are not always sincere when
it comes to copyright issues if you merely ask them. This is why we
usually advice them to send evidence to our support team (COM:OTRS) after
taking the files to DR.
However, I'm a bit reluctant to nominate User:James John Borg's files for
deletion but I don't have enough time to investigate it now, maybe someone
familiar with the user can take it up.
On Sat, Sep 17, 2016 at 8:17 AM, Lodewijk <lodewijk at effeietsanders.org>
> Hey Alexander,
> Assuming good faith is always good - even if you have to work harder for
> it. It makes the interactions more pleasant and the work more fun. So I
> will always recommend to keep doing it - even if it goes against your
> natural response.
> The case where the names don't seem to match seems like a valid case to me
> to ask questions, and this process is (unfortunately) the process being
> used for that at Wikimedia Commons. It is uncomfortable, but it is what we
> have to deal with. Because there are so many pictures, there is a bunch to
> be expected.
> I'm not going to pretend that the Wikimedia Commons community is always
> easy or fun to work with - but their intentions are usually good. They are
> very tough on copyright, and very suspicious. While these are some
> disadvantages, it does allow us to use a lot of shared infrastructure, and
> makes competitions like this one possible on an international scale. Please
> do realise that the number of uploads typically raises with 30-100% during
> Wiki Loves Monuments, and this puts some stress/strain on the reviewers
> 2016-09-17 8:58 GMT+02:00 Alexander Tsirlin <altsirlin at gmail.com>:
>> Rather than complaining to the process could you please for once think
>> that this is your project too and everyone in this together?
>> It is not my project. Like many other people, I am forced to use it as a
>> common image repository, even though I emphatically do not want to. As you
>> probably know, before migrating to WMF servers Wikivoyage had its own image
>> repository, and we wanted to keep it, because it was much better organized
>> than Commons, and we did not want other people to impose their rules and
>> practices of "nominating everything for deletion" on images that we have
>> carefully collected ourselves.
>> Unfortunately, our request was ignored by the WMF, so yes, we are also in
>> this strange thing that was supposed to be a common project, but is in fact
>> run by a handful of people who believe that unjustified and well-hidden
>> deletion requests are the best way to solve all problems. But it stinks,
>> and we try to be as far from it as possible.
>> Your experience of license review for WLM Bangladesh might be interesting
>> if we would ever have time to do this. At the moment, I spend most of my
>> free time on finding and fighting these well-hidden deletion requests.
>> Thank you, my dear Commons community, for creating such a wonderful working
>> On 17.09.2016 11:32, Nahid Sultan wrote:
>> Though it seems a bit odd but on a commons perspective it is also a
>> normal procedure. Commons has a huge issue with people finding images
>> online and then uploading them as their own work, so regular contributors
>> on commons can sometimes be overzealous in making sure that people actually
>> have the right to release what they are releasing. That is where the OTRS
>> system comes in. Rather than complaining to the process could
>> you please for once think that this is your project too and everyone in
>> this together?
>> We, from WLM Bangladesh team have created a work-board/list for such
>> users who have problem with metadata, previously published same image on
>> other media to make sure that they are actually own the copyright. we even
>> created a hand book for reviewers explaining what to look during the review
>> (https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:NahidSultan/WLM). So, every
>> reviewer check for those mistakes when reviewing an image then if they
>> found such problematic user they immediately contact them via email or talk
>> page and list them on https://commons.wikimedia.o
>> rg/wiki/User:NahidSultan/WLM/possible_copyright_problem. It works for
>> Nahid Sultan
>> User:NahidSultan <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:NahidSultan> on
>> all Wikimedia Foundation
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation>'s public wikis
>> Secretary, Wikimedia Bangladesh
>> Twitter: @nahidunlimited <https://twitter.com/nahidunlimited>
>> *From:* WikiLovesMonuments <wikilovesmonuments-bounces at li
>> sts.wikimedia.org> <wikilovesmonuments-bounces at lists.wikimedia.org> on
>> behalf of Alexander Tsirlin <altsirlin at gmail.com> <altsirlin at gmail.com>
>> *Sent:* Saturday, September 17, 2016 11:09 AM
>> *To:* Wiki Loves Monuments Photograph Competition
>> *Subject:* Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] WLM photos are deleted on Commons
>> Now it is not only about Freedom of Panorama and non-free images.
>> Here, one Commons user nominates a bunch of excellent photos for
>> deletion after he sees that the user name does not match the name in
>> EXIF, even though the connection between the two is pretty obvious. This
>> deletion request has been closed yesterday, but it still costed me a lot
>> of time and a long e-mail exchange with the uploader, where I tried to
>> convince her that everything is fine, and this deletion request was only
>> a mistake. Yes, just a small mistake, really...
>> Here, the same user nominates for deletion some photos of a 13th century
>> cathedral claiming that there is no freedom of panorama. What???!
>> That's a very systematic course of action against us taking place on
>> Commons. It would be silly to assume good faith here.
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