[Wiki Loves Monuments] Fwd: Moving monuments database to Wikidata
jane023 at gmail.com
Thu Jul 30 09:59:00 UTC 2015
Well I think your reasoning is what has kept us from doing this, and last
year I would have agreed with you. However, let me begin by telling a
story: one of the problems we have with filling the WLM lists in general is
that we have very few wiki(p/m)edians who take pictures in remote rural
areas near their home, but oddly, we have lots and lots of wiki(p/m)edians
who take pictures in remote rural areas while on vacation (near or not to
the homes of other wiki(p/m)edians apparently).
Today we have no unified WLM interface for wiki(p/m)edians to join WLM in
any other language-pedia than their own, and I feel this is an unnecessary
barrier to entry of potential WLM contributions.
The advantage of using the Wikidata list items for this purpose is that you
have some control in presentation, whereas live queries have a haphazard
list order based on date-of-creation-of-the-Wikidata-item
On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 11:45 AM, Magnus Manske <magnusmanske at googlemail.com
> Ah, do we really want to duplicate information like this? The individual
> items already have "heritage status: Grade I listed structure" or somesuch.
> Manually curating a list on Q6646074 seems pointless when we can
> auto-generate it.
> On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 10:00 AM Jane Darnell <jane023 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> So now, for the Birmingham list (first link in the mail below), I added
>> the first few monuments to the Wikidata item for this list here:
>> I used "has part" but maybe there should be a property "list item" or
>> somesuch thing?
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Jane Darnell <jane023 at gmail.com>
>> Date: Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 1:03 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Moving monuments database to Wikidata
>> To: Wiki Loves Monuments Photograph Competition <
>> wikilovesmonuments at lists.wikimedia.org>
>> OK I am now looking at your Q number Q5642705 and I see that it is a
>> hall, so I expect it to be an instance of hall, but it's not and it's an
>> instance of architectural structure. This item has an enwiki Wikipedia
>> article and when I click what links here I see the WLM list here:
>> Here I see only 4 columns - name, grade, date and architect
>> An item that is also a hall in NL is a water board building called a
>> gemeenlandshuis. Here is an example item
>> This is an instance of gemeenlandshuis which in turn is a subclass of
>> On the Dutch Wikipedia when I click what links here I see the link to the
>> WLM list here:
>> This list has eight columns - name, original function, date, architect,
>> location, coordinates, WLM ID, photo
>> The column headings should be coming from the monuments database, and the
>> original function should be the reason the object made it into the WLM list.
>> I think both of these items should be part of a corresponding list on
>> Wikidata. When I click what links here on Wikidata I see nothing that takes
>> me to WLM. The only clue is the property P1435 for the British Q and
>> property P359 for the Dutch Q.
>> Maybe we should augment the corresponding list items with their members
>> so that when you click what links here you are taken to the Q number of of
>> the list item? This effectively migrates the lists to Wikidata
>> On Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at 12:42 PM, Andy Mabbett <andy at pigsonthewing.org.uk
>> > wrote:
>>> On 26 July 2015 at 07:42, Jane Darnell <jane023 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > So such wikipedia articles should be labelled " instance of" <the
>>> name of
>>> > your identifier used in WLM>.
>>> I believe that method has been deprecated, and it is preferred to use
>>> a property P1435 ("heritage status" in English):
>>> as done, for example, on:
>>> Andy Mabbett
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>>> WikiLovesMonuments at lists.wikimedia.org
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