[Wiki Loves Monuments] Fwd: Moving monuments database to Wikidata

Thu Jul 30 10:05:02 UTC 2015

Hi Jane

I've not been following closely what you're doing here, but I assume it is the updating of the existing Wikidata items for UK listed buildings rather than the creation of new ones?

As part of WLM last year, we obtained updated copies of the definitive lists from the English, Scottish, Welsh and NI listing bodies, as well as the scheduled ancient monuments records.  Magnus uploaded all of the ancient monument and the grade I and II* listed buildings direct to Wikidata - around 80,000 records if I remember rightly. 

We ran the WLM contest in the UK directly from these Wikidata records without going via Wikipedia at all. The old UK monuments database dates from before all that work. It is no longer useful and can be deleted.

If there are inconsistencies between Wikidata and Wikipedia regarding these lists, Wikipedia needs to be corrected/updated. 

Happy to discuss in more detail if you'd like to contact me off list. 

Michael 
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> On 30 Jul 2015, at 10:59, Jane Darnell <jane023 at gmail.com> wrote:
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> Well I think your reasoning is what has kept us from doing this, and last year I would have agreed with you. However, let me begin by telling a story: one of the problems we have with filling the WLM lists in general is that we have very few wiki(p/m)edians who take pictures in remote rural areas near their home, but oddly, we have lots and lots of wiki(p/m)edians who take pictures in remote rural areas while on vacation (near or not to the homes of other wiki(p/m)edians apparently).
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> Today we have no unified WLM interface for wiki(p/m)edians to join WLM in any other language-pedia than their own, and I feel this is an unnecessary barrier to entry of potential WLM contributions.
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> The advantage of using the Wikidata list items for this purpose is that you have some control in presentation, whereas live queries have a haphazard list order based on date-of-creation-of-the-Wikidata-item
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>> On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 11:45 AM, Magnus Manske <magnusmanske at googlemail.com> wrote:
>> Ah, do we really want to duplicate information like this? The individual items already have "heritage status: Grade I listed structure" or somesuch. Manually curating a list on Q6646074 seems pointless when we can auto-generate it.
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>>> On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 10:00 AM Jane Darnell <jane023 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> So now, for the Birmingham list (first link in the mail below), I added the first few monuments to the Wikidata item for this list here:
>>> https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q6646074
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>>> I used "has part"  but maybe there should be a property "list item"  or somesuch thing?
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>>> From: Jane Darnell <jane023 at gmail.com>
>>> Date: Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 1:03 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Moving monuments database to Wikidata
>>> To: Wiki Loves Monuments Photograph Competition <wikilovesmonuments at lists.wikimedia.org>
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>>> OK I am now looking at your Q number Q5642705 and I see that it is a hall, so I expect it to be an instance of hall, but it's not and it's an instance of architectural structure. This item has an enwiki Wikipedia article and when I click what links here I see the WLM list here:
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Listed_buildings_in_Birmingham
>>> Here I see only 4 columns - name, grade, date and architect
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>>> An item that is also a hall in NL is a water board building called a gemeenlandshuis. Here is an example item
>>> https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q2847105
>>> This is an instance of gemeenlandshuis which in turn is a subclass of hall.
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>>> On the Dutch Wikipedia when I click what links here I see the link to the WLM list here:
>>> https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lijst_van_rijksmonumenten_in_Haarlemmerliede_en_Spaarnwoude
>>> This list has eight columns - name, original function, date, architect, location, coordinates, WLM ID, photo
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>>> The column headings should be coming from the monuments database, and the original function should be the reason the object made it into the WLM list.
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>>> I think both of these items should be part of a corresponding list on Wikidata. When I click what links here on Wikidata I see nothing that takes me to WLM. The only clue is the property P1435 for the British Q and property P359 for the Dutch Q. 
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>>> Maybe we should augment the corresponding list items with their members so that when you click what links here you are taken to the Q number of of the list item? This effectively migrates the lists to Wikidata
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>>>> On Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at 12:42 PM, Andy Mabbett <andy at pigsonthewing.org.uk> wrote:
>>>> On 26 July 2015 at 07:42, Jane Darnell <jane023 at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>>> > So such wikipedia articles should be labelled " instance of"  <the name of
>>>> > your identifier used in WLM>.
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>>>> I believe that method has been deprecated, and it is preferred to use
>>>> a property P1435 ("heritage status" in English):
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>>>>     https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P1435
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>>>> as done, for example, on:
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>>>>    https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q5642705
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