[Wiki Loves Monuments] [Wlm2013-l] drop off in submissions, banner

Fri Sep 20 09:24:21 UTC 2013

Michael, don't mistake page visits for uploads though

We need to get people involved ... and the best way imho is still the
personal approach, as described above

(+referrer stats only show part of your visitors)

Groeten, Maarten

2013/9/20 Michael Maggs <Michael op maggs.name>

> I can tell from the referrer stats for the UK site -
> http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org.uk - that the majority of visitors are
> coming via the banner, mostly from the English Wikipedia, but a smattering
> from other Wikipedias.  The proportion coming via some other route is quite
> small.
>
> Michael
>
>
> On 20 Sep 2013, at 09:59, Maarten Deneckere wrote:
>
> I don't think we will gain that much new contributors using a more prominent
> sitenotice. Most people just ignore it. Just ask friends and family, do
> they read that message?
>
> I organised WLM both in Belgium and South Africa, and I have far better
> experiences attracting people with a personal approach, eg. real life WLM
> events, our mailing list, Facebook groups.
>
> Maybe we can use this mailing list to 'show of' / share more examples?
>
> To start of, Belgium will promote WLM during two events: next Monday
> (Antwerp) and next Friday (upload marathon Gent).Any more events planned?
>
> Groeten, Maarten
>
>
>
>
> 2013/9/20 Andrea Zanni <zanni.andrea84 op gmail.com>
>
>> On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 6:10 PM, Michael Maggs <Michael op maggs.name>wrote:
>>
>>> It's not rude: it has a double meaning in English. Maybe this would not
>>> work in other languages.
>>>
>>> I think it's perfect :-)
>>
>> Aubrey
>>
>>
>>
>>> e, it sounds very rude.
>>> I would say something reminding that we are on the last days of the
>>> competition and that you can still help Wikipedia and win...
>>>
>>> *Osmar Valdebenito G.*
>>> Director Ejecutivo
>>> A. C. Wikimedia Argentina
>>>
>>>
>>> 2013/9/19 Richard Symonds <richard.symonds op wikimedia.org.uk>
>>>
>>>> This sounds very sensible.
>>>>
>>>> Richard Symonds
>>>> Wikimedia UK
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>>>> Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia
>>>> Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects).
>>>> *Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal
>>>> control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 19 September 2013 16:34, Michael Maggs <Michael op maggs.name> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> As there seems to be little international discussion about updating
>>>>> the CentralNotice text, I'm proposing in the next day or two to change the
>>>>> the text for the UK (only) to
>>>>>
>>>>> Where have you been?   Send us some photos!
>>>>>
>>>>> If anyone objects, please let me know.
>>>>>
>>>>> Michael
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 12 Sep 2013, at 05:10, Karthik Nadar wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 1:21 AM, Romaine Wiki <romaine_wiki op yahoo.com>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Perhaps the best place for talking about the banners of the
>>>>>> CentralNotice is at:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Commons_talk:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2013/CentralNotice
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Discussion kicks off there!
>>>>>
>>>>> -- Karthik.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Romaine
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --------------------------------------------
>>>>>> On Wed, 9/11/13, Lodewijk <lodewijk op effeietsanders.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] drop off in submissions, banner
>>>>>>  To: "Wiki Loves Monuments Photograph Competition" <
>>>>>> wikilovesmonuments op lists.wikimedia.org>
>>>>>>  Date: Wednesday, September 11, 2013, 7:45 PM
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  (oh, and ps: probably native
>>>>>>  countries like the US and GB work very differently than
>>>>>>  non-native English countries. Here participate would
>>>>>>  definitely resonate much better, and 'snap' would
>>>>>>  only be confusing. But that is probably stating the
>>>>>>  obvious)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  2013/9/11 Lodewijk
>>>>>>  <lodewijk op effeietsanders.org>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  I think there are two major factors in our
>>>>>>  image count:
>>>>>>  1) new participants, people who never edited
>>>>>>  before. 2) super uploaders, people with more
>>>>>>  than 100 images
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  The highest contribution to the number of images
>>>>>>  is 2) by a leap. This is mostly people with a reservoir of
>>>>>>  images - primarily in Spain, Poland and Germany.
>>>>>>  The banner has primarily an influence on 1),
>>>>>>  which is also important. I definitely wouldn't mind a
>>>>>>  change in the banner, but I would suggest to let that
>>>>>>  coincide with the drop of Privacy Policy (which was poorly
>>>>>>  situated - the original plan was to run it in August). In
>>>>>>  some other countries, there are more banners competing even
>>>>>>  (like in NL, a conference banner with call for
>>>>>>  speakers).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Another way than the wording, is the
>>>>>>  design.
>>>>>>  I would suggest we continue this 'what is the
>>>>>>  best banner' discussion on a talkpage somewhere, to keep
>>>>>>  it consistent. Romaine, what would be a good location for
>>>>>>  that?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Lodewijk
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  2013/9/11 Michael
>>>>>>  Maggs <Michael op maggs.name>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Both
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  "Snap a snapshot for
>>>>>>  Wikipedia" and "It's a snap, Wiki Loves
>>>>>>  Monuments"
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  are the best I
>>>>>>  have heard so far, and they would work in the UK as well as
>>>>>>  the US. Maybe have them both running at 50%
>>>>>>  ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Michael
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  On 11 Sep 2013, at 17:41,
>>>>>>  Peter Ekman wrote:
>>>>>>  I too have noticed a drop off in photos submitted
>>>>>>  in the last few days.  It's fairly important to
>>>>>>  determine what caused the drop off if we can.  It might be
>>>>>>  something totally outside of our control, e.g. the situation
>>>>>>  in Syria, but might be something like a change in banner
>>>>>>  display, which we do have some control over. Did the drop
>>>>>>  happen in most countries? We don't have full control
>>>>>>  over all Wikimedia banners - we do have to share the space
>>>>>>  with others, but perhaps they might be willing to delay some
>>>>>>  of their displays if we ask nicely.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  I do agree that changing the banner from
>>>>>>  time-to-time can help. I don't agree that a banner of
>>>>>>  ""Participate
>>>>>>  in the world's largest photo-contest and
>>>>>>  help Wikipedia,"
>>>>>>  would help any.  The imperative verb
>>>>>>  "Participate" is very weak, and is not natural to
>>>>>>  American English speakers.  It suggests a high school home
>>>>>>  economics teacher telling us that we have to bring cookies
>>>>>>  to the annual bake-off.  Something more active is
>>>>>>  definitely needed, something along the line (but not
>>>>>>  exactly) of a high school football coach saying "Go out
>>>>>>  there and kick some butt!"  That would definitely get
>>>>>>  some attention as a banner, but not the exact type of
>>>>>>  attention we want.  A teaser ad might work however, e.g.
>>>>>>  "About your photos on Wikipedia .... (smaller type)
>>>>>>  upload them to Wiki Loves Monuments"
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  "Snap"
>>>>>>  might be a verb we want to use.  It gives an idea of the
>>>>>>  action that we want people to take (snap a snapshot), unlike
>>>>>>  "participate."  So perhaps "Snap a historic
>>>>>>  site, Wiki Loves Monuments" It could wake people up. Or
>>>>>>  maybe "Snap a snapshot for Wikipedia".  As a noun
>>>>>>  "It's a snap, Wiki Loves
>>>>>>  Monuments"
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  I don't
>>>>>>  think these ideas are good enough yet for an actual banner,
>>>>>>  but I think that folks should brain-storm this and come up
>>>>>>  with new ideas.  Straight informative banners can sound
>>>>>>  bureaucratic or just boring.  Different languages or
>>>>>>  dialects should be considered separately, as translations
>>>>>>  are really tricky, e.g. "It's a snap" might
>>>>>>  mean something entirely different in British
>>>>>>  English
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  PeteUser:Smallbones
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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