[Wiki Loves Monuments] [Wlm2013-l] drop off in submissions, banner

Michael Maggs Michael at maggs.name
Fri Sep 20 09:06:17 UTC 2013


I can tell from the referrer stats for the UK site - http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org.uk - that the majority of visitors are coming via the banner, mostly from the English Wikipedia, but a smattering from other Wikipedias.  The proportion coming via some other route is quite small.

Michael


On 20 Sep 2013, at 09:59, Maarten Deneckere wrote:

> I don't think we will gain that much new contributors using a more prominent sitenotice. Most people just ignore it. Just ask friends and family, do they read that message?
> 
> I organised WLM both in Belgium and South Africa, and I have far better experiences attracting people with a personal approach, eg. real life WLM events, our mailing list, Facebook groups.
> 
> Maybe we can use this mailing list to 'show of' / share more examples?
> 
> To start of, Belgium will promote WLM during two events: next Monday (Antwerp) and next Friday (upload marathon Gent).Any more events planned?
> 
> Groeten, Maarten
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 2013/9/20 Andrea Zanni <zanni.andrea84 at gmail.com>
> On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 6:10 PM, Michael Maggs <Michael at maggs.name> wrote:
> It's not rude: it has a double meaning in English. Maybe this would not work in other languages.
> 
> I think it's perfect :-)
> 
> Aubrey
> 
>  
>> e, it sounds very rude.
>> I would say something reminding that we are on the last days of the competition and that you can still help Wikipedia and win... 
>> 
>> Osmar Valdebenito G.
>> Director Ejecutivo
>> A. C. Wikimedia Argentina
>> 
>> 
>> 2013/9/19 Richard Symonds <richard.symonds at wikimedia.org.uk>
>> This sounds very sensible. 
>> 
>> Richard Symonds
>> Wikimedia UK
>> 0207 065 0992
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>> Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.
>> 
>> 
>> On 19 September 2013 16:34, Michael Maggs <Michael at maggs.name> wrote:
>> As there seems to be little international discussion about updating the CentralNotice text, I'm proposing in the next day or two to change the the text for the UK (only) to
>> 
>> Where have you been?   Send us some photos!
>> 
>> If anyone objects, please let me know.
>> 
>> Michael
>> 
>> 
>> On 12 Sep 2013, at 05:10, Karthik Nadar wrote:
>> 
>>> On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 1:21 AM, Romaine Wiki <romaine_wiki at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> Perhaps the best place for talking about the banners of the CentralNotice is at:
>>> https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Commons_talk:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2013/CentralNotice
>>> 
>>> Discussion kicks off there!
>>> 
>>> -- Karthik. 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Romaine
>>> 
>>> --------------------------------------------
>>> On Wed, 9/11/13, Lodewijk <lodewijk at effeietsanders.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>>  Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] drop off in submissions, banner
>>>  To: "Wiki Loves Monuments Photograph Competition" <wikilovesmonuments at lists.wikimedia.org>
>>>  Date: Wednesday, September 11, 2013, 7:45 PM
>>> 
>>>  (oh, and ps: probably native
>>>  countries like the US and GB work very differently than
>>>  non-native English countries. Here participate would
>>>  definitely resonate much better, and 'snap' would
>>>  only be confusing. But that is probably stating the
>>>  obvious)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  2013/9/11 Lodewijk
>>>  <lodewijk at effeietsanders.org>
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  I think there are two major factors in our
>>>  image count: 
>>>  1) new participants, people who never edited
>>>  before. 2) super uploaders, people with more
>>>  than 100 images
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  The highest contribution to the number of images
>>>  is 2) by a leap. This is mostly people with a reservoir of
>>>  images - primarily in Spain, Poland and Germany.
>>>  The banner has primarily an influence on 1),
>>>  which is also important. I definitely wouldn't mind a
>>>  change in the banner, but I would suggest to let that
>>>  coincide with the drop of Privacy Policy (which was poorly
>>>  situated - the original plan was to run it in August). In
>>>  some other countries, there are more banners competing even
>>>  (like in NL, a conference banner with call for
>>>  speakers). 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  Another way than the wording, is the
>>>  design. 
>>>  I would suggest we continue this 'what is the
>>>  best banner' discussion on a talkpage somewhere, to keep
>>>  it consistent. Romaine, what would be a good location for
>>>  that? 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  Lodewijk
>>> 
>>>  2013/9/11 Michael
>>>  Maggs <Michael at maggs.name>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  Both 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  "Snap a snapshot for
>>>  Wikipedia" and "It's a snap, Wiki Loves
>>>  Monuments"
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  are the best I
>>>  have heard so far, and they would work in the UK as well as
>>>  the US. Maybe have them both running at 50%
>>>  ?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  Michael
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  On 11 Sep 2013, at 17:41,
>>>  Peter Ekman wrote:
>>>  I too have noticed a drop off in photos submitted
>>>  in the last few days.  It's fairly important to
>>>  determine what caused the drop off if we can.  It might be
>>>  something totally outside of our control, e.g. the situation
>>>  in Syria, but might be something like a change in banner
>>>  display, which we do have some control over. Did the drop
>>>  happen in most countries? We don't have full control
>>>  over all Wikimedia banners - we do have to share the space
>>>  with others, but perhaps they might be willing to delay some
>>>  of their displays if we ask nicely.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  I do agree that changing the banner from
>>>  time-to-time can help. I don't agree that a banner of
>>>  ""Participate
>>>  in the world's largest photo-contest and
>>>  help Wikipedia,"
>>>  would help any.  The imperative verb
>>>  "Participate" is very weak, and is not natural to
>>>  American English speakers.  It suggests a high school home
>>>  economics teacher telling us that we have to bring cookies
>>>  to the annual bake-off.  Something more active is
>>>  definitely needed, something along the line (but not
>>>  exactly) of a high school football coach saying "Go out
>>>  there and kick some butt!"  That would definitely get
>>>  some attention as a banner, but not the exact type of
>>>  attention we want.  A teaser ad might work however, e.g.
>>>  "About your photos on Wikipedia .... (smaller type)
>>>  upload them to Wiki Loves Monuments"
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  "Snap"
>>>  might be a verb we want to use.  It gives an idea of the
>>>  action that we want people to take (snap a snapshot), unlike
>>>  "participate."  So perhaps "Snap a historic
>>>  site, Wiki Loves Monuments" It could wake people up. Or
>>>  maybe "Snap a snapshot for Wikipedia".  As a noun
>>>  "It's a snap, Wiki Loves
>>>  Monuments"
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  I don't
>>>  think these ideas are good enough yet for an actual banner,
>>>  but I think that folks should brain-storm this and come up
>>>  with new ideas.  Straight informative banners can sound
>>>  bureaucratic or just boring.  Different languages or
>>>  dialects should be considered separately, as translations
>>>  are really tricky, e.g. "It's a snap" might
>>>  mean something entirely different in British
>>>  English
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  PeteUser:Smallbones
>>> 
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