[Wiki Loves Monuments] [Wlm2013-l] drop off in submissions, banner
Michael Maggs
Michael at maggs.name
Fri Sep 20 09:06:17 UTC 2013
I can tell from the referrer stats for the UK site - http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org.uk - that the majority of visitors are coming via the banner, mostly from the English Wikipedia, but a smattering from other Wikipedias. The proportion coming via some other route is quite small.
Michael
On 20 Sep 2013, at 09:59, Maarten Deneckere wrote:
> I don't think we will gain that much new contributors using a more prominent sitenotice. Most people just ignore it. Just ask friends and family, do they read that message?
>
> I organised WLM both in Belgium and South Africa, and I have far better experiences attracting people with a personal approach, eg. real life WLM events, our mailing list, Facebook groups.
>
> Maybe we can use this mailing list to 'show of' / share more examples?
>
> To start of, Belgium will promote WLM during two events: next Monday (Antwerp) and next Friday (upload marathon Gent).Any more events planned?
>
> Groeten, Maarten
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> 2013/9/20 Andrea Zanni <zanni.andrea84 at gmail.com>
> On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 6:10 PM, Michael Maggs <Michael at maggs.name> wrote:
> It's not rude: it has a double meaning in English. Maybe this would not work in other languages.
>
> I think it's perfect :-)
>
> Aubrey
>
>
>> e, it sounds very rude.
>> I would say something reminding that we are on the last days of the competition and that you can still help Wikipedia and win...
>>
>> Osmar Valdebenito G.
>> Director Ejecutivo
>> A. C. Wikimedia Argentina
>>
>>
>> 2013/9/19 Richard Symonds <richard.symonds at wikimedia.org.uk>
>> This sounds very sensible.
>>
>> Richard Symonds
>> Wikimedia UK
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>>
>>
>> On 19 September 2013 16:34, Michael Maggs <Michael at maggs.name> wrote:
>> As there seems to be little international discussion about updating the CentralNotice text, I'm proposing in the next day or two to change the the text for the UK (only) to
>>
>> Where have you been? Send us some photos!
>>
>> If anyone objects, please let me know.
>>
>> Michael
>>
>>
>> On 12 Sep 2013, at 05:10, Karthik Nadar wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 1:21 AM, Romaine Wiki <romaine_wiki at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> Perhaps the best place for talking about the banners of the CentralNotice is at:
>>> https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Commons_talk:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2013/CentralNotice
>>>
>>> Discussion kicks off there!
>>>
>>> -- Karthik.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Romaine
>>>
>>> --------------------------------------------
>>> On Wed, 9/11/13, Lodewijk <lodewijk at effeietsanders.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] drop off in submissions, banner
>>> To: "Wiki Loves Monuments Photograph Competition" <wikilovesmonuments at lists.wikimedia.org>
>>> Date: Wednesday, September 11, 2013, 7:45 PM
>>>
>>> (oh, and ps: probably native
>>> countries like the US and GB work very differently than
>>> non-native English countries. Here participate would
>>> definitely resonate much better, and 'snap' would
>>> only be confusing. But that is probably stating the
>>> obvious)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2013/9/11 Lodewijk
>>> <lodewijk at effeietsanders.org>
>>>
>>>
>>> I think there are two major factors in our
>>> image count:
>>> 1) new participants, people who never edited
>>> before. 2) super uploaders, people with more
>>> than 100 images
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The highest contribution to the number of images
>>> is 2) by a leap. This is mostly people with a reservoir of
>>> images - primarily in Spain, Poland and Germany.
>>> The banner has primarily an influence on 1),
>>> which is also important. I definitely wouldn't mind a
>>> change in the banner, but I would suggest to let that
>>> coincide with the drop of Privacy Policy (which was poorly
>>> situated - the original plan was to run it in August). In
>>> some other countries, there are more banners competing even
>>> (like in NL, a conference banner with call for
>>> speakers).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Another way than the wording, is the
>>> design.
>>> I would suggest we continue this 'what is the
>>> best banner' discussion on a talkpage somewhere, to keep
>>> it consistent. Romaine, what would be a good location for
>>> that?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Lodewijk
>>>
>>> 2013/9/11 Michael
>>> Maggs <Michael at maggs.name>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Both
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Snap a snapshot for
>>> Wikipedia" and "It's a snap, Wiki Loves
>>> Monuments"
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> are the best I
>>> have heard so far, and they would work in the UK as well as
>>> the US. Maybe have them both running at 50%
>>> ?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Michael
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 11 Sep 2013, at 17:41,
>>> Peter Ekman wrote:
>>> I too have noticed a drop off in photos submitted
>>> in the last few days. It's fairly important to
>>> determine what caused the drop off if we can. It might be
>>> something totally outside of our control, e.g. the situation
>>> in Syria, but might be something like a change in banner
>>> display, which we do have some control over. Did the drop
>>> happen in most countries? We don't have full control
>>> over all Wikimedia banners - we do have to share the space
>>> with others, but perhaps they might be willing to delay some
>>> of their displays if we ask nicely.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I do agree that changing the banner from
>>> time-to-time can help. I don't agree that a banner of
>>> ""Participate
>>> in the world's largest photo-contest and
>>> help Wikipedia,"
>>> would help any. The imperative verb
>>> "Participate" is very weak, and is not natural to
>>> American English speakers. It suggests a high school home
>>> economics teacher telling us that we have to bring cookies
>>> to the annual bake-off. Something more active is
>>> definitely needed, something along the line (but not
>>> exactly) of a high school football coach saying "Go out
>>> there and kick some butt!" That would definitely get
>>> some attention as a banner, but not the exact type of
>>> attention we want. A teaser ad might work however, e.g.
>>> "About your photos on Wikipedia .... (smaller type)
>>> upload them to Wiki Loves Monuments"
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Snap"
>>> might be a verb we want to use. It gives an idea of the
>>> action that we want people to take (snap a snapshot), unlike
>>> "participate." So perhaps "Snap a historic
>>> site, Wiki Loves Monuments" It could wake people up. Or
>>> maybe "Snap a snapshot for Wikipedia". As a noun
>>> "It's a snap, Wiki Loves
>>> Monuments"
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I don't
>>> think these ideas are good enough yet for an actual banner,
>>> but I think that folks should brain-storm this and come up
>>> with new ideas. Straight informative banners can sound
>>> bureaucratic or just boring. Different languages or
>>> dialects should be considered separately, as translations
>>> are really tricky, e.g. "It's a snap" might
>>> mean something entirely different in British
>>> English
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> PeteUser:Smallbones
>>>
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