[Wiki Loves Monuments] [Wlm2013-l] drop off in submissions, banner

Fri Sep 20 08:59:18 UTC 2013

I don't think we will gain that much new contributors using a more prominent
sitenotice. Most people just ignore it. Just ask friends and family, do
they read that message?

I organised WLM both in Belgium and South Africa, and I have far better
experiences attracting people with a personal approach, eg. real life WLM
events, our mailing list, Facebook groups.

Maybe we can use this mailing list to 'show of' / share more examples?

To start of, Belgium will promote WLM during two events: next Monday
(Antwerp) and next Friday (upload marathon Gent).Any more events planned?

Groeten, Maarten

2013/9/20 Andrea Zanni <zanni.andrea84 op gmail.com>

> On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 6:10 PM, Michael Maggs <Michael op maggs.name> wrote:
>
>> It's not rude: it has a double meaning in English. Maybe this would not
>> work in other languages.
>>
>> I think it's perfect :-)
>
> Aubrey
>
>
>
>> e, it sounds very rude.
>> I would say something reminding that we are on the last days of the
>> competition and that you can still help Wikipedia and win...
>>
>> *Osmar Valdebenito G.*
>> Director Ejecutivo
>> A. C. Wikimedia Argentina
>>
>>
>> 2013/9/19 Richard Symonds <richard.symonds op wikimedia.org.uk>
>>
>>> This sounds very sensible.
>>>
>>> Richard Symonds
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>>>
>>> On 19 September 2013 16:34, Michael Maggs <Michael op maggs.name> wrote:
>>>
>>>> As there seems to be little international discussion about updating the
>>>> CentralNotice text, I'm proposing in the next day or two to change the the
>>>> text for the UK (only) to
>>>>
>>>> Where have you been?   Send us some photos!
>>>>
>>>> If anyone objects, please let me know.
>>>>
>>>> Michael
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 12 Sep 2013, at 05:10, Karthik Nadar wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 1:21 AM, Romaine Wiki <romaine_wiki op yahoo.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Perhaps the best place for talking about the banners of the
>>>>> CentralNotice is at:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Commons_talk:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2013/CentralNotice
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Discussion kicks off there!
>>>>
>>>> -- Karthik.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Romaine
>>>>>
>>>>> --------------------------------------------
>>>>> On Wed, 9/11/13, Lodewijk <lodewijk op effeietsanders.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>  Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] drop off in submissions, banner
>>>>>  To: "Wiki Loves Monuments Photograph Competition" <
>>>>> wikilovesmonuments op lists.wikimedia.org>
>>>>>  Date: Wednesday, September 11, 2013, 7:45 PM
>>>>>
>>>>>  (oh, and ps: probably native
>>>>>  countries like the US and GB work very differently than
>>>>>  non-native English countries. Here participate would
>>>>>  definitely resonate much better, and 'snap' would
>>>>>  only be confusing. But that is probably stating the
>>>>>  obvious)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  2013/9/11 Lodewijk
>>>>>  <lodewijk op effeietsanders.org>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  I think there are two major factors in our
>>>>>  image count:
>>>>>  1) new participants, people who never edited
>>>>>  before. 2) super uploaders, people with more
>>>>>  than 100 images
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  The highest contribution to the number of images
>>>>>  is 2) by a leap. This is mostly people with a reservoir of
>>>>>  images - primarily in Spain, Poland and Germany.
>>>>>  The banner has primarily an influence on 1),
>>>>>  which is also important. I definitely wouldn't mind a
>>>>>  change in the banner, but I would suggest to let that
>>>>>  coincide with the drop of Privacy Policy (which was poorly
>>>>>  situated - the original plan was to run it in August). In
>>>>>  some other countries, there are more banners competing even
>>>>>  (like in NL, a conference banner with call for
>>>>>  speakers).
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  Another way than the wording, is the
>>>>>  design.
>>>>>  I would suggest we continue this 'what is the
>>>>>  best banner' discussion on a talkpage somewhere, to keep
>>>>>  it consistent. Romaine, what would be a good location for
>>>>>  that?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  Lodewijk
>>>>>
>>>>>  2013/9/11 Michael
>>>>>  Maggs <Michael op maggs.name>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  Both
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  "Snap a snapshot for
>>>>>  Wikipedia" and "It's a snap, Wiki Loves
>>>>>  Monuments"
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  are the best I
>>>>>  have heard so far, and they would work in the UK as well as
>>>>>  the US. Maybe have them both running at 50%
>>>>>  ?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  Michael
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  On 11 Sep 2013, at 17:41,
>>>>>  Peter Ekman wrote:
>>>>>  I too have noticed a drop off in photos submitted
>>>>>  in the last few days.  It's fairly important to
>>>>>  determine what caused the drop off if we can.  It might be
>>>>>  something totally outside of our control, e.g. the situation
>>>>>  in Syria, but might be something like a change in banner
>>>>>  display, which we do have some control over. Did the drop
>>>>>  happen in most countries? We don't have full control
>>>>>  over all Wikimedia banners - we do have to share the space
>>>>>  with others, but perhaps they might be willing to delay some
>>>>>  of their displays if we ask nicely.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  I do agree that changing the banner from
>>>>>  time-to-time can help. I don't agree that a banner of
>>>>>  ""Participate
>>>>>  in the world's largest photo-contest and
>>>>>  help Wikipedia,"
>>>>>  would help any.  The imperative verb
>>>>>  "Participate" is very weak, and is not natural to
>>>>>  American English speakers.  It suggests a high school home
>>>>>  economics teacher telling us that we have to bring cookies
>>>>>  to the annual bake-off.  Something more active is
>>>>>  definitely needed, something along the line (but not
>>>>>  exactly) of a high school football coach saying "Go out
>>>>>  there and kick some butt!"  That would definitely get
>>>>>  some attention as a banner, but not the exact type of
>>>>>  attention we want.  A teaser ad might work however, e.g.
>>>>>  "About your photos on Wikipedia .... (smaller type)
>>>>>  upload them to Wiki Loves Monuments"
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  "Snap"
>>>>>  might be a verb we want to use.  It gives an idea of the
>>>>>  action that we want people to take (snap a snapshot), unlike
>>>>>  "participate."  So perhaps "Snap a historic
>>>>>  site, Wiki Loves Monuments" It could wake people up. Or
>>>>>  maybe "Snap a snapshot for Wikipedia".  As a noun
>>>>>  "It's a snap, Wiki Loves
>>>>>  Monuments"
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  I don't
>>>>>  think these ideas are good enough yet for an actual banner,
>>>>>  but I think that folks should brain-storm this and come up
>>>>>  with new ideas.  Straight informative banners can sound
>>>>>  bureaucratic or just boring.  Different languages or
>>>>>  dialects should be considered separately, as translations
>>>>>  are really tricky, e.g. "It's a snap" might
>>>>>  mean something entirely different in British
>>>>>  English
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  PeteUser:Smallbones
>>>>>
>>>>>
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