[Wiki Loves Monuments] [Wlm2013-l] drop off in submissions, banner

Fri Sep 20 09:26:06 UTC 2013

Regardless, I think changing the wording would be a useful exercise if it
has the potential to get new people involved.

Richard

On 20 September 2013 10:24, Maarten Deneckere <maartendeneckere at gmail.com>wrote:

> Michael, don't mistake page visits for uploads though
>
> We need to get people involved ... and the best way imho is still the
> personal approach, as described above
>
> (+referrer stats only show part of your visitors)
>
> Groeten, Maarten
>
>
>
> 2013/9/20 Michael Maggs <Michael at maggs.name>
>
>> I can tell from the referrer stats for the UK site -
>> http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org.uk - that the majority of visitors are
>> coming via the banner, mostly from the English Wikipedia, but a smattering
>> from other Wikipedias.  The proportion coming via some other route is quite
>> small.
>>
>> Michael
>>
>>
>> On 20 Sep 2013, at 09:59, Maarten Deneckere wrote:
>>
>> I don't think we will gain that much new contributors using a more prominent
>> sitenotice. Most people just ignore it. Just ask friends and family, do
>> they read that message?
>>
>> I organised WLM both in Belgium and South Africa, and I have far better
>> experiences attracting people with a personal approach, eg. real life WLM
>> events, our mailing list, Facebook groups.
>>
>> Maybe we can use this mailing list to 'show of' / share more examples?
>>
>> To start of, Belgium will promote WLM during two events: next Monday
>> (Antwerp) and next Friday (upload marathon Gent).Any more events planned?
>>
>> Groeten, Maarten
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 2013/9/20 Andrea Zanni <zanni.andrea84 at gmail.com>
>>
>>> On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 6:10 PM, Michael Maggs <Michael at maggs.name>wrote:
>>>
>>>> It's not rude: it has a double meaning in English. Maybe this would not
>>>> work in other languages.
>>>>
>>>> I think it's perfect :-)
>>>
>>> Aubrey
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> e, it sounds very rude.
>>>> I would say something reminding that we are on the last days of the
>>>> competition and that you can still help Wikipedia and win...
>>>>
>>>> *Osmar Valdebenito G.*
>>>> Director Ejecutivo
>>>> A. C. Wikimedia Argentina
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2013/9/19 Richard Symonds <richard.symonds at wikimedia.org.uk>
>>>>
>>>>> This sounds very sensible.
>>>>>
>>>>> Richard Symonds
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 19 September 2013 16:34, Michael Maggs <Michael at maggs.name> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> As there seems to be little international discussion about updating
>>>>>> the CentralNotice text, I'm proposing in the next day or two to change the
>>>>>> the text for the UK (only) to
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Where have you been?   Send us some photos!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If anyone objects, please let me know.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Michael
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 12 Sep 2013, at 05:10, Karthik Nadar wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 1:21 AM, Romaine Wiki <romaine_wiki at yahoo.com
>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Perhaps the best place for talking about the banners of the
>>>>>>> CentralNotice is at:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Commons_talk:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2013/CentralNotice
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Discussion kicks off there!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -- Karthik.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Romaine
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------
>>>>>>> On Wed, 9/11/13, Lodewijk <lodewijk at effeietsanders.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] drop off in submissions, banner
>>>>>>>  To: "Wiki Loves Monuments Photograph Competition" <
>>>>>>> wikilovesmonuments at lists.wikimedia.org>
>>>>>>>  Date: Wednesday, September 11, 2013, 7:45 PM
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  (oh, and ps: probably native
>>>>>>>  countries like the US and GB work very differently than
>>>>>>>  non-native English countries. Here participate would
>>>>>>>  definitely resonate much better, and 'snap' would
>>>>>>>  only be confusing. But that is probably stating the
>>>>>>>  obvious)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  2013/9/11 Lodewijk
>>>>>>>  <lodewijk at effeietsanders.org>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  I think there are two major factors in our
>>>>>>>  image count:
>>>>>>>  1) new participants, people who never edited
>>>>>>>  before. 2) super uploaders, people with more
>>>>>>>  than 100 images
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  The highest contribution to the number of images
>>>>>>>  is 2) by a leap. This is mostly people with a reservoir of
>>>>>>>  images - primarily in Spain, Poland and Germany.
>>>>>>>  The banner has primarily an influence on 1),
>>>>>>>  which is also important. I definitely wouldn't mind a
>>>>>>>  change in the banner, but I would suggest to let that
>>>>>>>  coincide with the drop of Privacy Policy (which was poorly
>>>>>>>  situated - the original plan was to run it in August). In
>>>>>>>  some other countries, there are more banners competing even
>>>>>>>  (like in NL, a conference banner with call for
>>>>>>>  speakers).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  Another way than the wording, is the
>>>>>>>  design.
>>>>>>>  I would suggest we continue this 'what is the
>>>>>>>  best banner' discussion on a talkpage somewhere, to keep
>>>>>>>  it consistent. Romaine, what would be a good location for
>>>>>>>  that?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  Lodewijk
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  2013/9/11 Michael
>>>>>>>  Maggs <Michael at maggs.name>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  Both
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  "Snap a snapshot for
>>>>>>>  Wikipedia" and "It's a snap, Wiki Loves
>>>>>>>  Monuments"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  are the best I
>>>>>>>  have heard so far, and they would work in the UK as well as
>>>>>>>  the US. Maybe have them both running at 50%
>>>>>>>  ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  Michael
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  On 11 Sep 2013, at 17:41,
>>>>>>>  Peter Ekman wrote:
>>>>>>>  I too have noticed a drop off in photos submitted
>>>>>>>  in the last few days.  It's fairly important to
>>>>>>>  determine what caused the drop off if we can.  It might be
>>>>>>>  something totally outside of our control, e.g. the situation
>>>>>>>  in Syria, but might be something like a change in banner
>>>>>>>  display, which we do have some control over. Did the drop
>>>>>>>  happen in most countries? We don't have full control
>>>>>>>  over all Wikimedia banners - we do have to share the space
>>>>>>>  with others, but perhaps they might be willing to delay some
>>>>>>>  of their displays if we ask nicely.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  I do agree that changing the banner from
>>>>>>>  time-to-time can help. I don't agree that a banner of
>>>>>>>  ""Participate
>>>>>>>  in the world's largest photo-contest and
>>>>>>>  help Wikipedia,"
>>>>>>>  would help any.  The imperative verb
>>>>>>>  "Participate" is very weak, and is not natural to
>>>>>>>  American English speakers.  It suggests a high school home
>>>>>>>  economics teacher telling us that we have to bring cookies
>>>>>>>  to the annual bake-off.  Something more active is
>>>>>>>  definitely needed, something along the line (but not
>>>>>>>  exactly) of a high school football coach saying "Go out
>>>>>>>  there and kick some butt!"  That would definitely get
>>>>>>>  some attention as a banner, but not the exact type of
>>>>>>>  attention we want.  A teaser ad might work however, e.g.
>>>>>>>  "About your photos on Wikipedia .... (smaller type)
>>>>>>>  upload them to Wiki Loves Monuments"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  "Snap"
>>>>>>>  might be a verb we want to use.  It gives an idea of the
>>>>>>>  action that we want people to take (snap a snapshot), unlike
>>>>>>>  "participate."  So perhaps "Snap a historic
>>>>>>>  site, Wiki Loves Monuments" It could wake people up. Or
>>>>>>>  maybe "Snap a snapshot for Wikipedia".  As a noun
>>>>>>>  "It's a snap, Wiki Loves
>>>>>>>  Monuments"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  I don't
>>>>>>>  think these ideas are good enough yet for an actual banner,
>>>>>>>  but I think that folks should brain-storm this and come up
>>>>>>>  with new ideas.  Straight informative banners can sound
>>>>>>>  bureaucratic or just boring.  Different languages or
>>>>>>>  dialects should be considered separately, as translations
>>>>>>>  are really tricky, e.g. "It's a snap" might
>>>>>>>  mean something entirely different in British
>>>>>>>  English
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  PeteUser:Smallbones
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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