[Wiki Loves Monuments] [Wikimedia-AM members] Tech question: 2 WLM templates of different country contests on same file

Vacio vacio at riseup.net
Thu Sep 19 23:55:16 UTC 2013

hi Cristian,
Thank you, I think that makes perfect sense. If you don't mind, I'll 
copy this text to the TP of WLM page in Commons.

@Lodewijk, I just want to make sure I was correctly understood in my 
earlier message:

Basically I was/am not against the idea that one monument could 
participate to the contest in 2 countries (Armenia and Azerbaijan in 
this case). Moreover, if a monument is recognized in two countries we 
should mention that one or another way (sure, that adds value to Commons!).

The point was however that we would need proper preperation (and also 
intensive cooperation with Azerbaijani Wikimedians) to try to make this 
work. Frankly, even then I am not sure if we would succeed. As I 
mentioned, we can't travel to the other country, but we also can't send 
packages by post and as far as I know you can get in jail in Azerbaijan 
if you have contact with Armenian organizations (it is really shameful 
how Armenia and Azerbaijan live with each other..)

But, anyhow, I think the international team made a reasonable decision. 
I will tell Armenian participants that they can remove templates added 
to their photos if they want to.

Thank you all,

On 09/20/13 02:20 , Cristian Consonni wrote:
> 2013/9/19 Osmar Valdebenito <osmar at wikimedia.org.ar>:
>> It is obvious that the bitter relationship between Armenia and Azerbaijan is
>> something that should be considered and not ignored. Probably for everyone,
>> taking a picture and participating in two contests would be amazing... but
>> this is not the case and it is clear why it is not.
> Hi all,
> We discussed this situation during the last meeting of the
> international team and this is our view about it. We have identified
> some possible cases:
> 1) Monuments identifier template: It is possible to add monument
> identifiers templates anytime to the pictures, since this actually
> depends on the fact that the given monument is officially recognized
> as cultural heritage by country X or Y. This can be easily checked by
> anyone and added/removed if it's the case.
> 2) Adding WLM templates for the first time.
> * 2a) Images where the user clearly want to participate WLM, but in
> another country and the monuments is participating in more than one
> contest., this has to be avaluated case to case, but in general it is
> good to add an additional template. The point is that it is ok to add
> an additional template (don't remove unless you know for sure it's
> wrong!), because you assume you're helping that user. But only do this
> a first time - don't (re-)add it if a user indicated they don't want
> to participate.
> * 2b) Images uploaded without any indication that the user wants to
> participate, don't do anything.
> 3) Removing WLM template from your own images:
> * 3a) Images with a clearly wrong WLM template, remove the wrong
> template and add the correct one: go further and fix it  (e.g. photo
> of the Eiffel Tower with WLM India template).
> * 3b) In general, you can *remove*  the WLM template only from your
> own images (i.e. images you have personally uploaded), we think in
> general people should not be elicited from participating WLM in
> whatever country if they sent an image for it in the first place.
> Cristian
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