[Wiki Loves Monuments] Tech question: 2 WLM templates of different country contests on same file

[Vacio]

Dear all,

I lack the technical background to comment on the discussion below. I 
just want to say this: I am frankly not so much concerned about which 
flag is placed where, or which country is mentioned where. I am only 
concerned that I get a lot of complains from Armenian participants of 
the contest, who see their photos appear in the wlm.az category rather 
than wlm.am (at the result of manual change of templates in their photos).

Just to make clear why this bothers them. It is technically impossible 
for people who live in Armenia or Nagorno-Karabakh to travel to 
Azerbaijan (let's say in case they become winners of wlm.az). (There are 
other issues as well, for instance, wlm.az seems to have only included 
the monuments of one city 
<https://az.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vikipediya:Viki_Abid%C9%99l%C9%99ri_Sevir_2013/Abid%C9%99l%C9%99rin_siyah%C4%B1s%C4%B1/%C5%9Eu%C5%9Fa> 
of Nagorno-Karabakh, while wlm.am included 4 provinces 
<https://hy.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D4%BC%D5%82%D5%80_%D5%BA%D5%A1%D5%BF%D5%B4%D5%B8%D6%82%D5%A9%D5%B5%D5%A1%D5%B6_%D6%87_%D5%B4%D5%B7%D5%A1%D5%AF%D5%B8%D6%82%D5%B5%D5%A9%D5%AB_%D5%A1%D5%B6%D5%B7%D5%A1%D6%80%D5%AA_%D5%B0%D5%B8%D6%82%D5%B7%D5%A1%D6%80%D5%B1%D5%A1%D5%B6%D5%B6%D5%A5%D6%80%D5%AB_%D6%81%D5%A1%D5%B6%D5%AF>).

This means that they are practically excluded from the contest (they 
have no chances to win). So, I suggest, that we, the WLM community, make 
a decision on how to solve this.

I personally can think of two options:

* We don't allow anyone to manually add templates to WLM images, at 
least until 30 September
* We allow users to add only an alternative template which will not 
change hidden categories or any other metadata (I mean an alternative 
template of {{Cultural Heritage Azerbaijan}}).

Please let us know if you can think of anything else.

Vacio


On 09/17/13 01:37 , Platonides wrote:
> On 16/09/13 16:35, Aleksey Chalabyan wrote:
>> Dear all, and especially those who provide us with tools for running WLM
>> contest.
>>
>> If on same page we have 2 templates, from different country contest,
>> with different ID, do you think scripts/bot may run into issue?
>>
>> Will those tools successfully process both of templates, assign
>> necessary categories, show up correctly in counters, voting tools, etc?
>>
>> Example of such image is:
>> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:%D4%B1%D5%B4%D5%A1%D6%80%D5%A1%D5%BD%D5%AB_%D5%BE%D5%A1%D5%B6%D6%84,_%D5%BE%D5%A1%D5%B6%D6%84%D5%A1%D5%B5%D5%AB%D5%B6_%D5%B0%D5%A1%D5%B4%D5%A1%D5%AC%D5%AB%D6%80_....jpg 
>>
>>
>> Thanks beforehand,
>> Xelgen
>
> The tools at http://toolserver.org/~platonides/wlm2013/ will consider 
> only the first template.
> Last year the database was designed to support a second country, but 
> it was so exceptional that it wasn't implemented. I think we 
> identified a single case of multicountry monumentness before the 
> contest, plus perhaps a couple more found later for some rivers.
>
> I can easily add detection of multiple countries, the trickiness 
> starts when querying it, which not only results in more complex checks 
> for the database, but it's not even clear how it should be defined: 
> What should be the answer for "How many images have am and az 
> together?" Should Ամարասի_վանք,_վանքային_համալիր_....jpg be counted 
> once (as for "How many images are in total?") or be the sum of images 
> of both countries?
> How to count the number of countries in which a user did photos, etc.
>
>
> If the problem is limited to monuments in Azerbaijan and Armenia 
> contests, it may be simpler for the bot to detect that case and 
> internally map those images to an am+az pseudo-country.
>
>
> PS: I agree with Multichill, renaming a monument template (or adding 
> new variants such as redirects to it) will make the bot to suddenly 
> not detect the monument identifier.
>
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