[Wiki Loves Monuments] Community voting and jury process.

Bas vb basvb_wikipedia at live.nl
Sun Jul 29 20:56:52 UTC 2012

I think it is not possible to get good feedback from the public when you provide them a to big list, nobody is going to watch all the pictures, and I also don't think somebody is going to watch a random part. If you want to get the public involved, maybe the best Idea is to let a jury pick the top 20-50 and let the public vote on those 50 to decide on the order. Or you can make a preselection of around 500 pictures, where people can pick the best, and then you send a list of 50 to the jury. But I think it will be hard to get people from the public to watch lots of pictures, so you will maybe get a lot of pictures with 1 or 2 votes (maybe even the photographer voting on his own best view. 
I believe the Russians provided a list of around 100 pictures you could vote on. Then they had 10 different prices, with one of them being the publics nr. 1. but I'm not sure, somebody should confirm.

From: mroth at wikimedia.org
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 13:39:51 -0700
To: wikilovesmonuments at lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Community voting and jury process.

Hi all,Per Lodewijk's suggestion, I'm bringing this to the larger list. 
WLM-US organizers have been discussing the value of setting up a community voting process on-wiki for the initial selection of the top 500 or so photos in the WLM-US pool, which we will then send to the judges (though we're thinking it would be wise to have the judges also surface photos they like  that don't make the top 500). Can anyone on this list (particularly Russian organizers) give us feedback on what works well and what does not work well? 

Did you reach out to Commons contributors who had helped with any of the Featured Picture selection or Picture of the Year voting for feedback? A few of those people we've identified live in the U.S., so we're going to reach out to the relevant individuals. We've also been discussing how to incorporate the WikiProject on English WP that deals with our monuments (WP:NRHP) to try to get help from them. We're thinking of it as a group of ambassadors or captains who can help us alleviate some of the challenge for the jury of sorting thousands of photos.

Any feedback would be very welcome.

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From: Lodewijk <lodewijk at effeietsanders.org>

Date: Sat, Jul 28, 2012 at 6:42 PM
Subject: Re: Jury process in the US
To: Maarten Dammers <maarten at mdammers.nl>
Cc: Matthew Roth <mroth at wikimedia.org>, Katie Filbert <aude.wiki at gmail.com>, "Richard (User:Pharos)" <pharosofalexandria at gmail.com>, Peter Ekman <pdekman at gmail.com>, Ryan Kaldari <rkaldari at wikimedia.org>, Sarah Stierch <sstierch at wikimedia.org>

What about discussing this particular issue on the international mailing list? I know at least Russia has some experience with a community WLM vote - and I know India is bumping into the same problems as the US here. 


2012/7/28 Maarten Dammers <maarten at mdammers.nl>

Hi Matthew,

Op 28-7-2012 20:43, Matthew Roth schreef:

Hi Maarten and Lodewijk,

In discussions with Wikimedia DC and other WLM-US organizers, I think we're going to try to set up a voting mechanism on-wiki so that Commons users can help us select the top 500 photos in the WLM-US pool, which we will then send to the judges (though the judges can also surface photos that don't make the top 500). We're also talking about having contestants have the option to nominate their own favorite photos to help highlight their own photos for the voting. Pharos brought up a question about being able to put a nomination button in the Uploader so that it automatically tagged the photos with a particular category if the uploader chooses to nominate particular photos of theirs. Do you think that could be easily done from a technical stance? Also curious to hear your thoughts in general about the plan.

I'm very happy to see things are starting to move in the US. Adding bells and whistles to the upload process would go against one of the core principles (https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments/Philosophy) of WLM: Make it easy, so I'm not in favour of that. The jury process shouldn't cost the organization too much work and it shouldn't bother the (new) uploaders.  I'm not sure how this will work, I don't have any experience with this model.



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