[Wiki Loves Monuments] copyright
jane023 at gmail.com
Wed Apr 27 09:57:39 UTC 2011
Thanks for this! I never thought of turning it around, which you did with
"non-freedom of panorama is based on copyright". That may sound pretty
confusing, but I actually get that!
So anything older than the "70-year-rule" is always free of copyright,
except in certain situations in Italy?
This is all very enlightening,
2011/4/27 Lodewijk <lodewijk at effeietsanders.org>
> Hi Jane,
> I am not sure what you are referring to in your third paragraph, but let me
> at least try to clarify the point you make in your first. Maartens first
> point (buildings by architects died longer than 70 years ago) relates to the
> general principle in copyright that a number of years after the death of the
> author, the copyright ceases to exist. Since the non-freedom of panorama is
> based on copyright, this is also valid there. So there is, as far as I am
> aware, no reference to an "odd" exception there. It is just as well valid
> for writers, painters and photographers.
> Kind regards,
> 2011/4/27 Jane Darnell <jane023 at gmail.com>
>> Maarten and Bastien,
>> I certainly agree that it is confusing. Maarten's first point is an odd
>> exception to the Freedom of Panorama rule that I never heard of before I
>> read those Estonian Commons template tags. The usual Wiki Commons "FOP"
>> copyright is wide open as long as you are outside, anywhere in Europe. I
>> certainly hope that this is just a problem with the current templates on
>> Commons for Estonia. I wonder how Estonian travel agencies handle this
>> My understanding until now has been that for some countries there may be
>> special restrictions, like in Italy for some monuments and in France in
>> specific bizarre cases like the French Louvre museum, the Eiffel tower when
>> illuminated at night (but only after 1989, when the current lights were
>> installed, and only when the light display is visible, so not if there are
>> fireworks going off all around it) and in other countries there may be
>> restrictions because of privacy issues, but in general, everything is
>> allowed. This is especially the case for public art and cultural heritage
>> sites, which are often also tourist attractions.
>> The problem I was referring to in my earlier mail was the problem with the
>> Estonian template tags for Commons, because they don't use the Wiki Loves
>> Monuments preferred template -- the CC-by-SA tag for "Creative
>> Commons-Attibuted-Share Alike". If this issue is just a misunderstanding,
>> then the proper templates should be used. If not, then perhaps for the
>> competition certain monuments in Estonia or certain cities could allow
>> CC-by-SA to be used for the period of the competition, using the argument
>> that "It would be a great benefit to the general public at large to have
>> high quality photo's of these important cultural objects that are free to
>> use by anybody, anywhere".
>> 2011/4/27 Bastien <bzg at altern.org>
>>> Hi Maarten,
>>> Maarten Dammers <maarten at mdammers.nl> writes:
>>> > 1. Is the buildings architect death for more than 70 years? Yes. Free
>>> I don't want to nitpick, but there are some tricky situations.
>>> In the case of the Eiffel Tower: Eiffel died in 1923, more than 70 years
>>> ago, so pictures from a "bare" Eiffel Tower *in daylight* can be free.
>>> But pictures from the Eiffel Tower when it's illuminated by night cannot
>>> be free... thanks to the copyright an artist owns on this "artwork".
>>> So one must also consider the case when a building is the support for an
>>> artwork from an artist that is *not* dead more than 70 years ago...
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