[Wiki Loves Monuments] copyright

[Lodewijk]

In a simple world, yes. There are however some exceptions (like French
soldiers which died in WW1 and those Italian monuments) but lets not go into
that too much :) Normally, if every author of a work (including the artist
who added the light bulbs) died more than 70 year ago, there is no copyright
left.

Best,

Lodewijk

2011/4/27 Jane Darnell <jane023 at gmail.com>

> Lodewijk,
> Thanks for this! I never thought of  turning it around, which you did with
> "non-freedom of panorama is based on copyright". That may sound pretty
> confusing, but I actually get that!
> So anything older than the "70-year-rule" is always free of copyright,
> except in certain situations in Italy?
>
> This is all very enlightening,
> Jane
>
>
> 2011/4/27 Lodewijk <lodewijk at effeietsanders.org>
>
>> Hi Jane,
>>
>> I am not sure what you are referring to in your third paragraph, but let
>> me at least try to clarify the point you make in your first. Maartens first
>> point (buildings by architects died longer than 70 years ago) relates to the
>> general principle in copyright that a number of years after the death of the
>> author, the copyright ceases to exist. Since the non-freedom of panorama is
>> based on copyright, this is also valid there. So there is, as far as I am
>> aware, no reference to an "odd" exception there. It is just as well valid
>> for writers, painters and photographers.
>>
>> Kind regards,
>>
>> Lodewijk
>>
>>
>> 2011/4/27 Jane Darnell <jane023 at gmail.com>
>>
>>> Maarten and Bastien,
>>> I certainly agree that it is confusing. Maarten's first point is an odd
>>> exception to the Freedom of Panorama rule that I never heard of before I
>>> read those Estonian Commons template tags. The usual Wiki Commons "FOP"
>>> copyright is wide open as long as you are outside, anywhere in Europe.  I
>>> certainly hope that this is just a problem with the current templates on
>>> Commons for Estonia. I wonder how Estonian travel agencies handle this
>>> issue?
>>>
>>> My understanding until now has been that for some countries there may be
>>> special restrictions, like in Italy for some monuments and in France in
>>> specific bizarre cases like the French Louvre museum, the Eiffel tower when
>>> illuminated at night (but only after 1989, when the current lights were
>>> installed, and only when the light display is visible, so not if there are
>>> fireworks going off all around it) and in other countries there may be
>>> restrictions because of privacy issues, but in general, everything is
>>> allowed. This is especially the case for public art and cultural heritage
>>> sites, which are often also tourist attractions.
>>>
>>> The problem I was referring to in my earlier mail was the problem with
>>> the Estonian template tags for Commons, because they don't use the Wiki
>>> Loves Monuments preferred template -- the CC-by-SA tag for "Creative
>>> Commons-Attibuted-Share Alike". If this issue is just a misunderstanding,
>>> then the proper templates should be used. If not, then perhaps for the
>>> competition certain monuments in Estonia or certain cities could allow
>>> CC-by-SA to be used for the period of the competition, using the argument
>>> that "It would be a great benefit to the general public at large to have
>>> high quality photo's of these important cultural objects that are free to
>>> use by anybody, anywhere".
>>>
>>> Jane
>>>
>>> 2011/4/27 Bastien <bzg at altern.org>
>>>
>>>> Hi Maarten,
>>>>
>>>> Maarten Dammers <maarten at mdammers.nl> writes:
>>>>
>>>> > 1. Is the buildings architect death for more than 70 years? Yes. Free
>>>>
>>>> I don't want to nitpick, but there are some tricky situations.
>>>>
>>>> In the case of the Eiffel Tower: Eiffel died in 1923, more than 70 years
>>>> ago, so pictures from a "bare" Eiffel Tower *in daylight* can be free.
>>>> But pictures from the Eiffel Tower when it's illuminated by night cannot
>>>> be free... thanks to the copyright an artist owns on this "artwork".
>>>>
>>>> So one must also consider the case when a building is the support for an
>>>> artwork from an artist that is *not* dead more than 70 years ago...
>>>>
>>>> Sigh.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>  Bastien
>>>>
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