[Translators-l] Flow satisfaction survey (priority on ar, bs, ca, eo, de, he, pt, ur, zh)

Thu Apr 21 11:36:45 UTC 2016

Those translations that were 100% completed (but that could be reviewed by
others) are

Catalan (ca), German (de), English (en), French (fr), Hebrew (he), and
Brasilian Portuguese (pt-br)

Some major languages should still be part of the survey.

Generic Portuguese (pt) could probably use the same text as Brasilian
Portuguese. There should be very few differences (if none), if care is
taken by Brasilian translators to use a formal wording excluding some
vernacular/abbreviated forms perceived as bad in standard Portuguese. I've
read that now both Portugal and Brasil have reached an agreement (accepting
forms used on either side of the Atlantic by mutual enriching in
grammatical forms and vocabulary, including accepting simplifications or
orthographic variants introduced by mutated phonology or simplifying some
mute letters in the classic orthography), and Wikimedia wikis do not
distinguish the two minor variants with separate wikis.

It's like if we had asked to differentiate the translations between
Standard German (de) between "Du" and "Sie" (with the "de-formal" variant),
or the same differentiation for Dutch ("nl" or "nl-informal")... We don't
need to use a very formal language, just a friendly but polite neutral form
that is acceptable and understood by most, without excessive
personnalisation and without excessive "jargon" in that survey: the purpose
is not to build a personal user interface.

As well, you ask for Chinese (zh) assuming that differences between
Traditional and Simplified Chinese (zh-hans vs. zh-hant) will be handled by
transliterators like on Chinese Wikipedia. But the Qualtrics website may
not have this builtin transliterator: in that case, copy-paste the
transliterated forms from the pages rendered on Meta, where this
transliterator is present. Can you check that? If this solution is not
applicable, you may ask for separate zh-hans and zh-hant translations.

Other major languages (with many readers that we should convince to become
more frequent writers) should be added (there are other people interested),
notably:
- in America, Europe and some parts of Africa: Spanish (es), Italian (it),
Dutch (nl), Polish (pl), Swedish (sv)
- In Eastern Europe and Western Asia: Russian (ru), Turkish (tr)
- In Southern and Eastern Asia: Farsi (fa), Hinhi (hi), Thai (th),
Indonesian (id) -- Malay (ms) is essentially a variant --, Japanese (ja),
and Korean (ko).

Esperanto (eo) is much less needed (in fact it is always used as a
secondary or tertiary language, IMHO not used natively; their speakers are
certainly speaking almost always one of the major languages. Esperanto is
mostly used to interact formally between speakers of different major
languages and that don't want to learn another language (with many
exceptions and complex grammatical and syntax rules like English, French,
German, or difficult to read/write in non-Latin scripts...).

2016-04-21 11:51 GMT+02:00 Benoît Evellin (Trizek) <bevellin at wikimedia.org>:

> Hello translators!
>
> Some translations have reached 100%, thank you very much! :)
>
> However, some languages we plan to target are still missing: Arabic,
> Bosnian, Chinese (zh), Esperanto, Portuguese (pt) and Urdu.
>
> I hope to integrate these questions to the survey tool by the end of the
> week. I know I'm asking a lot to you all, and I'm sorry to take all your
> volunteering time to translate that rough text. We all really appreciate
> your efforts and your commitment!
>
>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Translate&group=page-Collaboration%2FFlow+satisfaction+survey%2Ftranslations&language=
>
> Thanks again,
> Benoît
>
> On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 5:01 PM, Philippe Verdy <verdy_p at wanadoo.fr>
> wrote:
>
>> So IMHO, the ongoing test of transition of net-centers is just failing,
>> or (if it was already finished) the configuration of wikis has not been
>> returned correctly to normal working mode, and all job queues are now full.
>>
>> 2016-04-19 16:58 GMT+02:00 Philippe Verdy <verdy_p at wanadoo.fr>:
>>
>>> Note: the databases should be in "read-only mode" but they are not
>>> closed, edits are permitted (no message given), but we get "unknown error:
>>> Job queue error" (with a tracker ID) when saving any edit in Meta. There
>>> are similar issues on all Wikimedia wikis affected by the current planned
>>> test which occured without correctly setting up the "read only mode".
>>>
>>> 2016-04-19 16:13 GMT+02:00 Philippe Verdy <verdy_p at wanadoo.fr>:
>>>
>>>> For now the Wikimedia wikis are running in read-only mode, you cannot
>>>> edit.
>>>> (this was announced, for testing the transfer from a network center to
>>>> another, and should not be long before wikis are editable again)
>>>>
>>>> 2016-04-19 10:28 GMT+02:00 Benoît Evellin (Trizek) <
>>>> bevellin at wikimedia.org>:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Amir
>>>>>
>>>>> My bad, I forgot to explain that part.
>>>>>
>>>>> As Philippe explained, these sentences will be followed by screenshots
>>>>> in French language. The goal is to show the structure of a talk page, not a
>>>>> language example.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> Benoît
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 9:02 PM, Amir E. Aharoni <
>>>>> amir.aharoni at mail.huji.ac.il> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I couldn't understand what does the phrase "Examples below are in
>>>>>> French language" refer to. Can you explain, please?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי
>>>>>> http://aharoni.wordpress.com
>>>>>> ‪“We're living in pieces,
>>>>>> I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore‬
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2016-04-18 19:03 GMT+05:30 Benoît Evellin (Trizek) <
>>>>>> bevellin at wikimedia.org>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *TL;DR:* Flow satisfaction survey is open to translation (in
>>>>>>> priority) for ar, bs, ca, eo, de, he, pt, ur, zh here:
>>>>>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Collaboration/Flow_satisfaction_survey
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Details*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Flow is being used by more and more users on an increasing number of
>>>>>>>  wikis. Some users are requesting improvements that will make the Flow
>>>>>>> experience better or to be able to adopt a structured discussion system
>>>>>>> which fits better with their wiki workflow.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Although Flow *per se* is not scheduled for major development in
>>>>>>> the near term, the Collaboration Team remains interested in the project and
>>>>>>> in providing an improved system for structured discussions. To make
>>>>>>> decisions about the way forward in this area, we’ve created a survey that
>>>>>>> will be proposed to Flow users in late April 2016.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We’re requesting translations for Arabic, Bosnian, Catalan, Chinese
>>>>>>> (zh), Esperanto, French, Hebrew, Portuguese and Urdu. However, Flow is also
>>>>>>> available on Wikidata and MediaWiki—both international wikis—so
>>>>>>> translations into any other languages will be much appreciated.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I plan to integrate these translations next Wednesday (the 20th).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The survey will use Qualtrics <http://wikimedia.qualtrics.com>. The
>>>>>>> translation source is a little bit rough in order to ease the import in
>>>>>>> Qualtrics. I've tried to have the best compromise between being able to
>>>>>>> translate and keeping structured data for import. I apologize for the
>>>>>>> inconvenience.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thank you in advance for your time; your work is much appreciated!
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Benoît Evellin (Trizek)
>>>>>>> Community Liaison
>>>>>>> Wikimedia Foundation
>>>>>>>
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>>>>> Community Liaison
>>>>> Wikimedia Foundation
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