[Wiki Loves Monuments] WLM photos are deleted on Commons

Alexander Tsirlin altsirlin at gmail.com
Thu Sep 15 12:30:40 UTC 2016


We do not promote fair-use images, but we try to make good use of all 
images that are uploaded during WLM.

Best,
Alexander


On 15.09.2016 13:07, Vicenç wrote:
>
> I am not a lawyer and I know nothing about copyright in Russia, but 
> IMHO a Wikimedia organization should not promote fair use images, nor 
> on Commons or by other means. Such images can not be published as 
> winning photos, this is not a fair use, and a Wikimedia organization 
> should not assume any legal risk on behalf of photographers. It seems 
> to me an extension of the problem it had Wiki Loves Public Art at heart.
>
>
> Vicenç
>
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> <wikilovesmonuments-bounces at lists.wikimedia.org> de part de Lily 
> <lilyofthewest.wikimedia at gmail.com>
> *Enviat el:* dimecres, 14 de setembre de 2016 21:58
> *Per a:* Wiki Loves Monuments Photograph Competition
> *Tema:* Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] WLM photos are deleted on Commons
> For the specific case of Russia, I confirm that I have heard your point.
>
> I also would like to encourage you to be open to listening to other 
> lines of arguments and be more flexible with considering other 
> solutions. Remember that at the end of the day, the Commons community 
> is also operating based on the same basic principles and motivations 
> as the rest of the Wikimedia community. We are in this together, and 
> to move forward efficiently we should work together.
>
> On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 12:46 PM, Alexander Tsirlin 
> <altsirlin at gmail.com <mailto:altsirlin at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     Dear Leila,
>
>     I can also repeat my point on list. Russian WLM organizers need
>     the time until October 31 in order to identify and properly
>     transfer no-FOP files. The Russian organizers really need this
>     time. They are unable and they will not work in a different time
>     frame. If Commons community accepts this, we are all fine. If they
>     do not accept it, we have to say good-bye to Commons.
>
>     Sincerely,
>     Alexander
>
>
>     On 14.09.2016 21:38, Lily wrote:
>>     Hi Yaroslav and others,
>>
>>     I'm sorry that we are going through these current events. As a
>>     WLM organizer, I feel the pain of organizing a contest,
>>     encouraging people to participate, but then seeing or imagining
>>     their disappointment. The one thing that gives the most
>>     motivation to me is to see people succeed in doing the upload,
>>     not to see them fail. From what I read at
>>     https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/Files_of_User:Лавров95_2#Comment_from_the_WLM_organizers
>>     <https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/Files_of_User:%D0%9B%D0%B0%D0%B2%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B295_2#Comment_from_the_WLM_organizers>
>>     I also see some of the difficulties that the Commons community
>>     are facing. This is not a pleasant situation for anyone. We are
>>     all in this for helping people share in the sum of all knowledge.
>>     At the moment, we are distracted.
>>
>>     We are seeing a failure of potentially more than one part of our
>>     system. As a team of people working towards the same goal, we
>>     should investigate what has happened from the beginning to the
>>     end, understand what has gone wrong and where (no blaming of each
>>     other, simply understanding), and come up with processes for
>>     fixing the broken parts. This will help us not have to visit a
>>     similar problem again and move forward together and more efficiently.
>>
>>     I will reach out to some of you involved in this discussion
>>     off-list to start a (postmortem) discussion. In the mean time, I
>>     ask all of you to consider the other side and treat each other
>>     with humility, trust, and respect.
>>
>>     Best,
>>     Leila
>>
>>     On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 12:13 PM, Yaroslav M. Blanter
>>     <putevod at mccme.ru <mailto:putevod at mccme.ru>> wrote:
>>
>>         On 14.09.2016 20:50, Marco Chiesa wrote:
>>
>>             On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 7:17 PM, Yaroslav M. Blanter
>>             <putevod at mccme.ru <mailto:putevod at mccme.ru>> wrote:
>>
>>                 The files have been deleted, meaning we will advise
>>                 WLM participants not to
>>                 use Commons anymore.
>>
>>
>>             By the way, such images would not qualify for WLM anyway,
>>             since they
>>             are copyvios.
>>             Cruccone
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>>         I know. The problems are demotivation of new users and excess
>>         work for Commons admins (in this case, most likely, me) to
>>         undelete these images for transfer to the Russian Wikivoyage
>>         (and, possibly, Wikipedia).
>>
>>         Cheers
>>         Yaroslav
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