[Wiki Loves Monuments] WLM photos are deleted on Commons
Alexander Tsirlin
altsirlin at gmail.com
Thu Sep 15 12:30:40 UTC 2016
We do not promote fair-use images, but we try to make good use of all
images that are uploaded during WLM.
Best,
Alexander
On 15.09.2016 13:07, Vicenç wrote:
>
> I am not a lawyer and I know nothing about copyright in Russia, but
> IMHO a Wikimedia organization should not promote fair use images, nor
> on Commons or by other means. Such images can not be published as
> winning photos, this is not a fair use, and a Wikimedia organization
> should not assume any legal risk on behalf of photographers. It seems
> to me an extension of the problem it had Wiki Loves Public Art at heart.
>
>
> Vicenç
>
>
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> *Enviat el:* dimecres, 14 de setembre de 2016 21:58
> *Per a:* Wiki Loves Monuments Photograph Competition
> *Tema:* Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] WLM photos are deleted on Commons
> For the specific case of Russia, I confirm that I have heard your point.
>
> I also would like to encourage you to be open to listening to other
> lines of arguments and be more flexible with considering other
> solutions. Remember that at the end of the day, the Commons community
> is also operating based on the same basic principles and motivations
> as the rest of the Wikimedia community. We are in this together, and
> to move forward efficiently we should work together.
>
> On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 12:46 PM, Alexander Tsirlin
> <altsirlin at gmail.com <mailto:altsirlin at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Dear Leila,
>
> I can also repeat my point on list. Russian WLM organizers need
> the time until October 31 in order to identify and properly
> transfer no-FOP files. The Russian organizers really need this
> time. They are unable and they will not work in a different time
> frame. If Commons community accepts this, we are all fine. If they
> do not accept it, we have to say good-bye to Commons.
>
> Sincerely,
> Alexander
>
>
> On 14.09.2016 21:38, Lily wrote:
>> Hi Yaroslav and others,
>>
>> I'm sorry that we are going through these current events. As a
>> WLM organizer, I feel the pain of organizing a contest,
>> encouraging people to participate, but then seeing or imagining
>> their disappointment. The one thing that gives the most
>> motivation to me is to see people succeed in doing the upload,
>> not to see them fail. From what I read at
>> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/Files_of_User:Лавров95_2#Comment_from_the_WLM_organizers
>> <https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/Files_of_User:%D0%9B%D0%B0%D0%B2%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B295_2#Comment_from_the_WLM_organizers>
>> I also see some of the difficulties that the Commons community
>> are facing. This is not a pleasant situation for anyone. We are
>> all in this for helping people share in the sum of all knowledge.
>> At the moment, we are distracted.
>>
>> We are seeing a failure of potentially more than one part of our
>> system. As a team of people working towards the same goal, we
>> should investigate what has happened from the beginning to the
>> end, understand what has gone wrong and where (no blaming of each
>> other, simply understanding), and come up with processes for
>> fixing the broken parts. This will help us not have to visit a
>> similar problem again and move forward together and more efficiently.
>>
>> I will reach out to some of you involved in this discussion
>> off-list to start a (postmortem) discussion. In the mean time, I
>> ask all of you to consider the other side and treat each other
>> with humility, trust, and respect.
>>
>> Best,
>> Leila
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 12:13 PM, Yaroslav M. Blanter
>> <putevod at mccme.ru <mailto:putevod at mccme.ru>> wrote:
>>
>> On 14.09.2016 20:50, Marco Chiesa wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 7:17 PM, Yaroslav M. Blanter
>> <putevod at mccme.ru <mailto:putevod at mccme.ru>> wrote:
>>
>> The files have been deleted, meaning we will advise
>> WLM participants not to
>> use Commons anymore.
>>
>>
>> By the way, such images would not qualify for WLM anyway,
>> since they
>> are copyvios.
>> Cruccone
>>
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>> I know. The problems are demotivation of new users and excess
>> work for Commons admins (in this case, most likely, me) to
>> undelete these images for transfer to the Russian Wikivoyage
>> (and, possibly, Wikipedia).
>>
>> Cheers
>> Yaroslav
>>
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