[Wiki Loves Monuments] [Wikimedia-l] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising

Romaine Wiki romaine.wiki at gmail.com
Mon Aug 24 09:31:04 UTC 2015

Giving Wiki Loves Monuments the worst possible situation is certainly not a
compromise, but a situation in what users from the community are crushed
under the weight of the foundation. A compromise is, according to the
dictionary, a situation in what both parties concede something. In this
case, WLM concedes everything and WMF nothing.
I have seen already users asking if this will be the next big clash between
WMF and the community, after the VisualEditor, MediaViewer, Superprotect
and other issues. I personally hope not.

You are of course free to think how much negative impact it will have, but
I base my numbers on the statistics from the past years. We have seen each
time a big influence from conflicting banners or outage. We have followed
the statistics and the impact of past years and we have learned from the
past that it has a big impact we certainly should not underestimate.

And I disagree with your statement that there always will be a clash
somewhere. There is no need for a clash if people work together on the
planning. September is not the only month in autumn, and not all countries
are occupied by Wiki Loves Monuments. Suggesting otherwise are fairy tales.
This is one of the strongest examples of bad planning I have seen in all
the years. Of every country that organises Wiki Loves Monuments, they have
picked the worst possible country.

You reduce this problem to just a "number of emotive emails", with what you
make clear you missed the essence of this case.


2015-08-24 10:53 GMT+02:00 Chris Keating <chriskeatingwiki at gmail.com>:

> Hi Romaine,
> > And the outcome is ridiculous. This is not a compromise. The Italian WLM
> > team has been crashed under the weight and preponderance of the Wikimedia
> > Foundation.
> Well - it *is* a compromise. It isn't what you want and I think I
> understand your reasons for thinking it will have a very big impact. I know
> from plenty of past experience of being a volunteer disagreeing with WMF
> staff  how frustrating this is (though actually I think the impact on WLM
> will be less than you expect in this case).
> But it is plainly not the case that the WMF has just blundered ahead with
> what it was going to do anyway. And even if WMF were not involved at all
> and there were some other method of allocating banner space, if Autumn has
> the peak fundraising potential and is when WLM happens, there will always
> be some kind of clash somewhere, and someone or other will not get what
> they want. No number of emotive emails will change that.
> Regards,
> Chris
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