[Wiki Loves Monuments] [Chapters] [Wikimedia-l] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising

Wed Aug 19 09:39:02 UTC 2015

Hi Andrea,

thanks for the update. We were in the same situation last year, 
including all the negative side effects mentioned already.
The worst part was to explain our long-standing and important partner 
the Federal Monuments Office that we can't have the banner time at 
cruical dates in September (especially the days leading up to our events 
around the national monuments day in Austria), at a time when all the 
information material with dates etc. was already printed and distributed.

Like you, we decided to come to terms with the situation without causing 
drama or trouble, but we communicated very clearly and on various 
channels that we wish for or rather strongly recommend a better planning 
this year, i.e. an information for the affected countries months and not 
only weeks or days before the event, so that they they can come up with 
adequate strategies and plan accordingly. It sounds that - again - this 
was not the case this year.

So, yes indeed - sad news - I really think this could have been avoided 
to a certain extend.

Claudia

Am 19.08.2015 um 11:18 schrieb Andrea Zanni:
> [sorry for cross-posting]
>
> Hello everyone.
>
> Thanks Romaine for bringing up this issue, because it's good to talk 
> these kind of things together with the whole community. It's a way to 
> improve collaboration, I hope.
>
> Yes, this year WLM and FR will split banners in Semptember: we reached 
> an agreement in which
> * 1-7 September: everyone see a WLM banner
>  * 8-22 September: everyone see a fundraising banner
>  * 23-30 September: the traffic will be split 50/50 between the WLM 
> campaign and the fundraising campaign. (50% of readers will see a 
> fundraising banner and 50% will see the WLM campaign.) *
>
> *
> We asked also a bigger percentage of visibility during the last 2-3 
> days of September, as they are very important days in terms of number 
> of photo uploads: we'll see if we manage to find an agreement also there.
>
> I'd like to declare that the conversation with the fundraising team 
> have been nothing less than polite and contructive: at the same time, 
> there *is* a "banner conflict", and we will both suffer from this.
> Last year (WLM 2014) we had the same problem, but in the end FR 
> decided to leave us the banner for the whole September, but the final 
> days.
>
> This year the conflict is on the whole month of September, and WLM in 
> Italy will definitely suffer (as it does also in normal conditions ;-).
> This is a pity because:
> * FR decided to use September months ago, and they are now in a rush 
> and cannot really change their plans
> * WMIT decided to run WLM on September months ago as well, as it has 
> done for the past 4 years. WMIT also declared his plans on WLM in the 
> FDC appplication, reviewed in May. Knowing also that last year there 
> was the same issue, it's fair to say, I hope, that from WMIT part 
> there was no lack of communication.
>
> I agree with Maarten that, in the end, it's WMF decision the one that 
> counts.
> This is why we were firm in stating our position but did not put up a 
> fight (or a scene). We manage to reach a more favorable agreement for 
> WLM (we asked for the first and last week of September, as they are in 
> our opinion the most important).
>
> What we plan to do now is discussing the issue also with the Funds 
> Dissemination Committee, as it will impact our goals and figures and 
> metrics. Moreover, we do have sponsors in Italy for WLM, and it will 
> not be easy to explain them if numbers drop dramatically.
> Lorenzo will explain to you what WLM means in terms of organization 
> and management in Italy.
>
> Of course, this is the last time this problem has to happen. If the 
> WMF is committed in running the FR banner in September in Italy (it 
> seems it's the most favorable month), WMIT will have to change WLM and 
> run it in October. I don't see other solutions.
>
> I hope this mail cleared a bit the situation.
>
> Cheers
>
> Andrea Zanni
> Wikimedia Italia
>
> On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 10:32 AM, Peter Southwood 
> <peter.southwood at telkomsa.net <mailto:peter.southwood at telkomsa.net>> 
> wrote:
>
>     Is there not a method for time to be booked in advance for these
>     things? Like a year in advance, so projects can be planned
>     properly and not crippled at the last minute?
>     Peter
>
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>     On Tuesday, 18 August 2015, attolippip <attolippip at gmail.com
>     <mailto:attolippip at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     >
>     > Can we get the WMF comments about it publicly?
>     >
>     >  The WMF Fundraising department asked me to submit my own
>     comments and
>     feedback from previous years that can be taken into account for
>     the 2015-16 fundraiser at:
>     https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fundraising/2015-16_Fundraising_ideas
>
>     Some of the feedback is "perennial" - we have the same debates
>     every year.
>     But, if that is the page where the Fundraising team have requested
>     comments about the forthcoming fundraiser be placed, then I
>     suggest that people use it.
>
>     -Liam
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