[Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments 2014 has notstarted yet...

Mon Sep 1 16:54:34 UTC 2014

It's clear that obscure names should be discouraged (for Wikimedia Commons
standards), but right now we may discourage participation with that
limitation. There isn't even an option to pick a new filename when an error
occurs in the UploadWizard; you have to start the upload process all over
again. Also, there isn't a quick way to check if the filename that is about
to be used is already occupied or not; you have to save, get the API error,
and start over again.

Also, please note that the problem isn't limited only to obscure names. The
"Eiffel TowerX.jpg" (for several values of X, and with no X) name is
already occupied. The same may happen to popular monuments on each country.

That said, I insist: we should make participation as easy as possible. In
most photo repositories (everyone except Commons?), you don't even need to
assign names to uploaded files; they are automatically generated. Yes, they
end being obscure, random names such as 12309803.jpg, but nobody cares
about that! We can't change Commons naming policies right now, but we can,
at least, help participants by reducing name collisions or making the
error-fixing process as easy as possible.

For now, I'll try to explain in WLM-CO instructions that an
"api-error-unknownerror"
means that the photo filename should be changed.

Racso

2014-09-01 4:53 GMT-05:00 <aktron at centrum.cz>:

> Yes,
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> I have received some e-mails from various people that they do have this
> issue in WLM CZ. I do believe however it is a filename issue, as it is
> highly logical to expect files named IMG_401.JPG to be kinda problem to
> upload... as pretty much everyone tried to do so in past 10 years.
>
>
>
> So they were kindly asked to change the filename...
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> Aktron
>
> Wikimedia Czech Republic
>
> chairman
>
> ______________________________________________________________
> > Od: KaewWiki <KaewWiki at gmail.com>
> > Komu: Wiki Loves Monuments Photograph Competition <
> wikilovesmonuments at lists.wikimedia.org>
> > Datum: 01.09.2014 11:11
> > Předmět: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments 2014 has
> notstarted yet...
> >
>   Hi Rasco,
>
>  I confirmed that "<api-error-unknownerror>" is a filename problem.
>
>  We should
> (1) tell the uploader that it is a filename issue.
> (2) allow them to go back to the page where the uploader may give a new
> name -- rather than give an option to retry.
>
>  Taweetham
>
>
> On 1 September 2014 14:06, Jan Ainali <jan.ainali at wikimedia.se> wrote:
>
>> DSC0001 - 28392 is an obscure file name and should really be discouraged.
>> File names should be descriptive. If anything, the help text for that field
>> can be made clearer.
>>
>>
>> *Med vänliga hälsningar, Jan Ainali*
>>
>>  Verksamhetschef, Wikimedia Sverige
>> <http://se.wikimedia.org/wiki/Huvudsida>
>> 0729 - 67 29 48
>>
>>  *Tänk dig en värld där varje människa har fri tillgång till
>> mänsklighetens samlade kunskap. Det är det vi gör.*
>> Bli medlem. <http://blimedlem.wikimedia.se>
>>
>>
>> 2014-09-01 9:00 GMT+02:00 Racso <racso at colombia.com>:
>>
>>  I had that error when doing a test upload. I retried, changing the
>>> filename, and it worked.
>>> That made me wonder: Is there a way for making the UploadWizard to
>>> append a random number to the default filename? I'm pretty sure lots of
>>> participants will have trouble because of trying to upload images with
>>> already occupied filenames, specially if the names come from cameras (e.g.
>>> DSC0001). If a random number is appended to the name (e.g. DSC0001 -
>>> 28392), we would heavily reduce this problem.
>>> Racso
>>>
>>>
>>> 2014-08-31 22:42 GMT-05:00 KaewWiki <KaewWiki at gmail.com>:
>>>
>>> However, it now has another problem at "Describe" stage:
>>>>
>>>> 77px-Örebro_slott_resynth.jpg
>>>> <api-error-unknownerror>
>>>> None of the uploads were successful.
>>>>
>>>> Retry failed uploads
>>>>
>>>> Anyone has done a successful test upload?
>>>>
>>>> On 1 September 2014 10:09, KaewWiki <KaewWiki at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> > It is now fixed. Thank you.
>>>> >
>>>> > On 1 September 2014 09:21, Romaine Wiki <romaine.wiki at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >> I think this is a known bug of the upload wizard. Is it still say
>>>> that the
>>>> >> contest has not started yet?
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Romaine
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> 2014-09-01 2:16 GMT+02:00 Saqib Qayyum <saqib.qayyum at hotmail.com>:
>>>> >>
>>>> >>> Same here Pakistan
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> ________________________________
>>>> >>> Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2014 02:15:51 +0200
>>>> >>> From: pierre-selim at huard.info
>>>> >>> To: wikilovesmonuments at lists.wikimedia.org
>>>> >>> Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments 2014 has
>>>> not
>>>> >>> started yet...
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Same here when I tried to submit an image to UK contest :-)
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> 2014-09-01 2:13 GMT+02:00 KaewWiki <KaewWiki at gmail.com>:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Hello All,
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> This is a message from WMTH.  This is about 7:05am Thailand time or
>>>> >>> 00:05 (UTC).  I try to do a test upload and see the following
>>>> message.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> "Wiki Loves Monuments 2014 has not started yet.
>>>> >>> Wiki Loves Monuments will start in September. You may still share
>>>> your
>>>> >>> images, but they will not be eligible for the competition."
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> The URL is
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:UploadWizard&campaign=wlm-th&id=0000024&descriptionlang=th&description=%5B%5B%E0%B8%81%E0%B8%B3%E0%B9%81%E0%B8%9E%E0%B8%87%E0%B9%80%E0%B8%A1%E0%B8%B7%E0%B8%AD%E0%B8%87%E0%B8%AB%E0%B8%99%E0%B9%89%E0%B8%B2%E0%B9%82%E0%B8%A3%E0%B8%87%E0%B9%80%E0%B8%A3%E0%B8%B5%E0%B8%A2%E0%B8%99%E0%B8%A7%E0%B8%B1%E0%B8%94%E0%B8%9A%E0%B8%A7%E0%B8%A3%E0%B8%99%E0%B8%B4%E0%B9%80%E0%B8%A7%E0%B8%A8%5D%5D&lat=
>>>> 13.759925059999986&lon=100.5016259999999
>>>> <https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:UploadWizard&campaign=wlm-th&id=0000024&descriptionlang=th&description=%5B%5B%E0%B8%81%E0%B8%B3%E0%B9%81%E0%B8%9E%E0%B8%87%E0%B9%80%E0%B8%A1%E0%B8%B7%E0%B8%AD%E0%B8%87%E0%B8%AB%E0%B8%99%E0%B9%89%E0%B8%B2%E0%B9%82%E0%B8%A3%E0%B8%87%E0%B9%80%E0%B8%A3%E0%B8%B5%E0%B8%A2%E0%B8%99%E0%B8%A7%E0%B8%B1%E0%B8%94%E0%B8%9A%E0%B8%A7%E0%B8%A3%E0%B8%99%E0%B8%B4%E0%B9%80%E0%B8%A7%E0%B8%A8%5D%5D&lat=13.759925059999986&lon=100.5016259999999>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Anyone got the same problem?  Any solutions?
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Many thanks,
>>>> >>> Taweetham
>>>> >>>
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>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> --
>>>> >>> Pierre-Selim
>>>> >>>
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