[Wiki Loves Monuments] [Wlm2013-l] drop off in submissions, banner

Matthew Roth mroth at wikimedia.org
Thu Sep 19 17:03:52 UTC 2013 

On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 9:43 AM, Richard Nevell <
richard.nevell at wikimedia.org.uk> wrote:

> I must admit 'where have you been' did not come across as rude to me. It's
> something you say to an old friend when you're pleased to see them.
>

I do get this connotation and the double meaning if it's an intimate
setting. I fear it will be lost in a banner on the top of the sites without
this level of context. The audience won't be close friends or really in on
the connotation, methinks.


>
> However, this conversation does show that the phrase carries different
> connotations in different countries. As the English-language banner can't
> be changed for just the UK, perhaps a different wording should be sought.
>
> I think changing the central notice is worthwhile to motivate people to
> take part. Keeping things the same might numb the effect of the banner, so
> I would encourage people to put forward their suggestions.
>
>
> On 19 September 2013 17:39, Katie Chan <katie.chan at wikimedia.org.uk>wrote:
>
>> "Where have you been" as in "what lovely places have you visited?",
>> not "why haven't you uploaded anything?".
>>
>> On 19 September 2013 17:16, Matthew Roth Wikimedia <mroth at wikimedia.org>
>> wrote:
>> > I read it as being pushy, if not rude. Maybe a British humor thing we
>> don't
>> > all get?
>> >
>> > Matthew
>> >
>> > Sent from a mobile communication device.
>> >
>> > On Sep 19, 2013, at 9:10 AM, Michael Maggs <Michael at maggs.name> wrote:
>> >
>> > It's not rude: it has a double meaning in English. Maybe this would not
>> work
>> > in other languages.
>> >
>> > Michael
>> >
>> > On 19 Sep 2013, at 16:59, Osmar Valdebenito wrote:
>> >
>> > To me, it sounds very rude.
>> > I would say something reminding that we are on the last days of the
>> > competition and that you can still help Wikipedia and win...
>> >
>> > Osmar Valdebenito G.
>> > Director Ejecutivo
>> > A. C. Wikimedia Argentina
>> >
>> >
>> > 2013/9/19 Richard Symonds <richard.symonds at wikimedia.org.uk>
>> >>
>> >> This sounds very sensible.
>> >>
>> >> Richard Symonds
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>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 19 September 2013 16:34, Michael Maggs <Michael at maggs.name> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> As there seems to be little international discussion about updating
>> the
>> >>> CentralNotice text, I'm proposing in the next day or two to change
>> the the
>> >>> text for the UK (only) to
>> >>>
>> >>> Where have you been?   Send us some photos!
>> >>>
>> >>> If anyone objects, please let me know.
>> >>>
>> >>> Michael
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On 12 Sep 2013, at 05:10, Karthik Nadar wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 1:21 AM, Romaine Wiki <romaine_wiki at yahoo.com
>> >
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Perhaps the best place for talking about the banners of the
>> >>>> CentralNotice is at:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Commons_talk:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2013/CentralNotice
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Discussion kicks off there!
>> >>>
>> >>> -- Karthik.
>> >>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Romaine
>> >>>>
>> >>>> --------------------------------------------
>> >>>> On Wed, 9/11/13, Lodewijk <lodewijk at effeietsanders.org> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>  Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] drop off in submissions, banner
>> >>>>  To: "Wiki Loves Monuments Photograph Competition"
>> >>>> <wikilovesmonuments at lists.wikimedia.org>
>> >>>>  Date: Wednesday, September 11, 2013, 7:45 PM
>> >>>>
>> >>>>  (oh, and ps: probably native
>> >>>>  countries like the US and GB work very differently than
>> >>>>  non-native English countries. Here participate would
>> >>>>  definitely resonate much better, and 'snap' would
>> >>>>  only be confusing. But that is probably stating the
>> >>>>  obvious)
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>  2013/9/11 Lodewijk
>> >>>>  <lodewijk at effeietsanders.org>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>  I think there are two major factors in our
>> >>>>  image count:
>> >>>>  1) new participants, people who never edited
>> >>>>  before. 2) super uploaders, people with more
>> >>>>  than 100 images
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>  The highest contribution to the number of images
>> >>>>  is 2) by a leap. This is mostly people with a reservoir of
>> >>>>  images - primarily in Spain, Poland and Germany.
>> >>>>  The banner has primarily an influence on 1),
>> >>>>  which is also important. I definitely wouldn't mind a
>> >>>>  change in the banner, but I would suggest to let that
>> >>>>  coincide with the drop of Privacy Policy (which was poorly
>> >>>>  situated - the original plan was to run it in August). In
>> >>>>  some other countries, there are more banners competing even
>> >>>>  (like in NL, a conference banner with call for
>> >>>>  speakers).
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>  Another way than the wording, is the
>> >>>>  design.
>> >>>>  I would suggest we continue this 'what is the
>> >>>>  best banner' discussion on a talkpage somewhere, to keep
>> >>>>  it consistent. Romaine, what would be a good location for
>> >>>>  that?
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>  Lodewijk
>> >>>>
>> >>>>  2013/9/11 Michael
>> >>>>  Maggs <Michael at maggs.name>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>  Both
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>  "Snap a snapshot for
>> >>>>  Wikipedia" and "It's a snap, Wiki Loves
>> >>>>  Monuments"
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>  are the best I
>> >>>>  have heard so far, and they would work in the UK as well as
>> >>>>  the US. Maybe have them both running at 50%
>> >>>>  ?
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>  Michael
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>  On 11 Sep 2013, at 17:41,
>> >>>>  Peter Ekman wrote:
>> >>>>  I too have noticed a drop off in photos submitted
>> >>>>  in the last few days.  It's fairly important to
>> >>>>  determine what caused the drop off if we can.  It might be
>> >>>>  something totally outside of our control, e.g. the situation
>> >>>>  in Syria, but might be something like a change in banner
>> >>>>  display, which we do have some control over. Did the drop
>> >>>>  happen in most countries? We don't have full control
>> >>>>  over all Wikimedia banners - we do have to share the space
>> >>>>  with others, but perhaps they might be willing to delay some
>> >>>>  of their displays if we ask nicely.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>  I do agree that changing the banner from
>> >>>>  time-to-time can help. I don't agree that a banner of
>> >>>>  ""Participate
>> >>>>  in the world's largest photo-contest and
>> >>>>  help Wikipedia,"
>> >>>>  would help any.  The imperative verb
>> >>>>  "Participate" is very weak, and is not natural to
>> >>>>  American English speakers.  It suggests a high school home
>> >>>>  economics teacher telling us that we have to bring cookies
>> >>>>  to the annual bake-off.  Something more active is
>> >>>>  definitely needed, something along the line (but not
>> >>>>  exactly) of a high school football coach saying "Go out
>> >>>>  there and kick some butt!"  That would definitely get
>> >>>>  some attention as a banner, but not the exact type of
>> >>>>  attention we want.  A teaser ad might work however, e.g.
>> >>>>  "About your photos on Wikipedia .... (smaller type)
>> >>>>  upload them to Wiki Loves Monuments"
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>  "Snap"
>> >>>>  might be a verb we want to use.  It gives an idea of the
>> >>>>  action that we want people to take (snap a snapshot), unlike
>> >>>>  "participate."  So perhaps "Snap a historic
>> >>>>  site, Wiki Loves Monuments" It could wake people up. Or
>> >>>>  maybe "Snap a snapshot for Wikipedia".  As a noun
>> >>>>  "It's a snap, Wiki Loves
>> >>>>  Monuments"
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>  I don't
>> >>>>  think these ideas are good enough yet for an actual banner,
>> >>>>  but I think that folks should brain-storm this and come up
>> >>>>  with new ideas.  Straight informative banners can sound
>> >>>>  bureaucratic or just boring.  Different languages or
>> >>>>  dialects should be considered separately, as translations
>> >>>>  are really tricky, e.g. "It's a snap" might
>> >>>>  mean something entirely different in British
>> >>>>  English
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>  PeteUser:Smallbones
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
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