[Wiki Loves Monuments] [Wlm2013-l] drop off in submissions, banner

Thu Sep 19 16:50:36 UTC 2013

Maybe it's too British :(

Let's try for something else, then. But please can we do it quickly so that we can update the message soon (say by Saturday)?

Please comment at https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Commons_talk:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2013/CentralNotice 

and we will make a community decision there.

Michael

On 19 Sep 2013, at 17:41, Lodewijk wrote:

> By the way, quite some suggestions have been made on https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Commons_talk:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2013/CentralNotice - I would hope that more people take a look at it there, and discuss specific suggestions there too. 
> 
> Lodewijk
> 
> 
> 2013/9/19 Katie Chan <katie.chan at wikimedia.org.uk>
> "Where have you been" as in "what lovely places have you visited?",
> not "why haven't you uploaded anything?".
> 
> On 19 September 2013 17:16, Matthew Roth Wikimedia <mroth at wikimedia.org> wrote:
> > I read it as being pushy, if not rude. Maybe a British humor thing we don't
> > all get?
> >
> > Matthew
> >
> > Sent from a mobile communication device.
> >
> > On Sep 19, 2013, at 9:10 AM, Michael Maggs <Michael at maggs.name> wrote:
> >
> > It's not rude: it has a double meaning in English. Maybe this would not work
> > in other languages.
> >
> > Michael
> >
> > On 19 Sep 2013, at 16:59, Osmar Valdebenito wrote:
> >
> > To me, it sounds very rude.
> > I would say something reminding that we are on the last days of the
> > competition and that you can still help Wikipedia and win...
> >
> > Osmar Valdebenito G.
> > Director Ejecutivo
> > A. C. Wikimedia Argentina
> >
> >
> > 2013/9/19 Richard Symonds <richard.symonds at wikimedia.org.uk>
> >>
> >> This sounds very sensible.
> >>
> >> Richard Symonds
> >> Wikimedia UK
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> >> operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects).
> >> Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control
> >> over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.
> >>
> >>
> >> On 19 September 2013 16:34, Michael Maggs <Michael at maggs.name> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> As there seems to be little international discussion about updating the
> >>> CentralNotice text, I'm proposing in the next day or two to change the the
> >>> text for the UK (only) to
> >>>
> >>> Where have you been?   Send us some photos!
> >>>
> >>> If anyone objects, please let me know.
> >>>
> >>> Michael
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 12 Sep 2013, at 05:10, Karthik Nadar wrote:
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 1:21 AM, Romaine Wiki <romaine_wiki at yahoo.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Perhaps the best place for talking about the banners of the
> >>>> CentralNotice is at:
> >>>>
> >>>> https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Commons_talk:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2013/CentralNotice
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Discussion kicks off there!
> >>>
> >>> -- Karthik.
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Romaine
> >>>>
> >>>> --------------------------------------------
> >>>> On Wed, 9/11/13, Lodewijk <lodewijk at effeietsanders.org> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>  Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] drop off in submissions, banner
> >>>>  To: "Wiki Loves Monuments Photograph Competition"
> >>>> <wikilovesmonuments at lists.wikimedia.org>
> >>>>  Date: Wednesday, September 11, 2013, 7:45 PM
> >>>>
> >>>>  (oh, and ps: probably native
> >>>>  countries like the US and GB work very differently than
> >>>>  non-native English countries. Here participate would
> >>>>  definitely resonate much better, and 'snap' would
> >>>>  only be confusing. But that is probably stating the
> >>>>  obvious)
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>  2013/9/11 Lodewijk
> >>>>  <lodewijk at effeietsanders.org>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>  I think there are two major factors in our
> >>>>  image count:
> >>>>  1) new participants, people who never edited
> >>>>  before. 2) super uploaders, people with more
> >>>>  than 100 images
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>  The highest contribution to the number of images
> >>>>  is 2) by a leap. This is mostly people with a reservoir of
> >>>>  images - primarily in Spain, Poland and Germany.
> >>>>  The banner has primarily an influence on 1),
> >>>>  which is also important. I definitely wouldn't mind a
> >>>>  change in the banner, but I would suggest to let that
> >>>>  coincide with the drop of Privacy Policy (which was poorly
> >>>>  situated - the original plan was to run it in August). In
> >>>>  some other countries, there are more banners competing even
> >>>>  (like in NL, a conference banner with call for
> >>>>  speakers).
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>  Another way than the wording, is the
> >>>>  design.
> >>>>  I would suggest we continue this 'what is the
> >>>>  best banner' discussion on a talkpage somewhere, to keep
> >>>>  it consistent. Romaine, what would be a good location for
> >>>>  that?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>  Lodewijk
> >>>>
> >>>>  2013/9/11 Michael
> >>>>  Maggs <Michael at maggs.name>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>  Both
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>  "Snap a snapshot for
> >>>>  Wikipedia" and "It's a snap, Wiki Loves
> >>>>  Monuments"
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>  are the best I
> >>>>  have heard so far, and they would work in the UK as well as
> >>>>  the US. Maybe have them both running at 50%
> >>>>  ?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>  Michael
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>  On 11 Sep 2013, at 17:41,
> >>>>  Peter Ekman wrote:
> >>>>  I too have noticed a drop off in photos submitted
> >>>>  in the last few days.  It's fairly important to
> >>>>  determine what caused the drop off if we can.  It might be
> >>>>  something totally outside of our control, e.g. the situation
> >>>>  in Syria, but might be something like a change in banner
> >>>>  display, which we do have some control over. Did the drop
> >>>>  happen in most countries? We don't have full control
> >>>>  over all Wikimedia banners - we do have to share the space
> >>>>  with others, but perhaps they might be willing to delay some
> >>>>  of their displays if we ask nicely.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>  I do agree that changing the banner from
> >>>>  time-to-time can help. I don't agree that a banner of
> >>>>  ""Participate
> >>>>  in the world's largest photo-contest and
> >>>>  help Wikipedia,"
> >>>>  would help any.  The imperative verb
> >>>>  "Participate" is very weak, and is not natural to
> >>>>  American English speakers.  It suggests a high school home
> >>>>  economics teacher telling us that we have to bring cookies
> >>>>  to the annual bake-off.  Something more active is
> >>>>  definitely needed, something along the line (but not
> >>>>  exactly) of a high school football coach saying "Go out
> >>>>  there and kick some butt!"  That would definitely get
> >>>>  some attention as a banner, but not the exact type of
> >>>>  attention we want.  A teaser ad might work however, e.g.
> >>>>  "About your photos on Wikipedia .... (smaller type)
> >>>>  upload them to Wiki Loves Monuments"
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>  "Snap"
> >>>>  might be a verb we want to use.  It gives an idea of the
> >>>>  action that we want people to take (snap a snapshot), unlike
> >>>>  "participate."  So perhaps "Snap a historic
> >>>>  site, Wiki Loves Monuments" It could wake people up. Or
> >>>>  maybe "Snap a snapshot for Wikipedia".  As a noun
> >>>>  "It's a snap, Wiki Loves
> >>>>  Monuments"
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>  I don't
> >>>>  think these ideas are good enough yet for an actual banner,
> >>>>  but I think that folks should brain-storm this and come up
> >>>>  with new ideas.  Straight informative banners can sound
> >>>>  bureaucratic or just boring.  Different languages or
> >>>>  dialects should be considered separately, as translations
> >>>>  are really tricky, e.g. "It's a snap" might
> >>>>  mean something entirely different in British
> >>>>  English
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>  PeteUser:Smallbones
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
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