[Wiki Loves Monuments] [Wlm2013-l] drop off in submissions, banner
Lodewijk
lodewijk at effeietsanders.org
Thu Sep 19 16:41:57 UTC 2013
By the way, quite some suggestions have been made on
https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Commons_talk:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2013/CentralNotice
-
I would hope that more people take a look at it there, and discuss specific
suggestions there too.
Lodewijk
2013/9/19 Katie Chan <katie.chan at wikimedia.org.uk>
> "Where have you been" as in "what lovely places have you visited?",
> not "why haven't you uploaded anything?".
>
> On 19 September 2013 17:16, Matthew Roth Wikimedia <mroth at wikimedia.org>
> wrote:
> > I read it as being pushy, if not rude. Maybe a British humor thing we
> don't
> > all get?
> >
> > Matthew
> >
> > Sent from a mobile communication device.
> >
> > On Sep 19, 2013, at 9:10 AM, Michael Maggs <Michael at maggs.name> wrote:
> >
> > It's not rude: it has a double meaning in English. Maybe this would not
> work
> > in other languages.
> >
> > Michael
> >
> > On 19 Sep 2013, at 16:59, Osmar Valdebenito wrote:
> >
> > To me, it sounds very rude.
> > I would say something reminding that we are on the last days of the
> > competition and that you can still help Wikipedia and win...
> >
> > Osmar Valdebenito G.
> > Director Ejecutivo
> > A. C. Wikimedia Argentina
> >
> >
> > 2013/9/19 Richard Symonds <richard.symonds at wikimedia.org.uk>
> >>
> >> This sounds very sensible.
> >>
> >> Richard Symonds
> >> Wikimedia UK
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> (who
> >> operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects).
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> >> over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.
> >>
> >>
> >> On 19 September 2013 16:34, Michael Maggs <Michael at maggs.name> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> As there seems to be little international discussion about updating the
> >>> CentralNotice text, I'm proposing in the next day or two to change the
> the
> >>> text for the UK (only) to
> >>>
> >>> Where have you been? Send us some photos!
> >>>
> >>> If anyone objects, please let me know.
> >>>
> >>> Michael
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 12 Sep 2013, at 05:10, Karthik Nadar wrote:
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 1:21 AM, Romaine Wiki <romaine_wiki at yahoo.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Perhaps the best place for talking about the banners of the
> >>>> CentralNotice is at:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Commons_talk:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2013/CentralNotice
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Discussion kicks off there!
> >>>
> >>> -- Karthik.
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Romaine
> >>>>
> >>>> --------------------------------------------
> >>>> On Wed, 9/11/13, Lodewijk <lodewijk at effeietsanders.org> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] drop off in submissions, banner
> >>>> To: "Wiki Loves Monuments Photograph Competition"
> >>>> <wikilovesmonuments at lists.wikimedia.org>
> >>>> Date: Wednesday, September 11, 2013, 7:45 PM
> >>>>
> >>>> (oh, and ps: probably native
> >>>> countries like the US and GB work very differently than
> >>>> non-native English countries. Here participate would
> >>>> definitely resonate much better, and 'snap' would
> >>>> only be confusing. But that is probably stating the
> >>>> obvious)
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> 2013/9/11 Lodewijk
> >>>> <lodewijk at effeietsanders.org>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> I think there are two major factors in our
> >>>> image count:
> >>>> 1) new participants, people who never edited
> >>>> before. 2) super uploaders, people with more
> >>>> than 100 images
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> The highest contribution to the number of images
> >>>> is 2) by a leap. This is mostly people with a reservoir of
> >>>> images - primarily in Spain, Poland and Germany.
> >>>> The banner has primarily an influence on 1),
> >>>> which is also important. I definitely wouldn't mind a
> >>>> change in the banner, but I would suggest to let that
> >>>> coincide with the drop of Privacy Policy (which was poorly
> >>>> situated - the original plan was to run it in August). In
> >>>> some other countries, there are more banners competing even
> >>>> (like in NL, a conference banner with call for
> >>>> speakers).
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Another way than the wording, is the
> >>>> design.
> >>>> I would suggest we continue this 'what is the
> >>>> best banner' discussion on a talkpage somewhere, to keep
> >>>> it consistent. Romaine, what would be a good location for
> >>>> that?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Lodewijk
> >>>>
> >>>> 2013/9/11 Michael
> >>>> Maggs <Michael at maggs.name>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Both
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> "Snap a snapshot for
> >>>> Wikipedia" and "It's a snap, Wiki Loves
> >>>> Monuments"
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> are the best I
> >>>> have heard so far, and they would work in the UK as well as
> >>>> the US. Maybe have them both running at 50%
> >>>> ?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Michael
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On 11 Sep 2013, at 17:41,
> >>>> Peter Ekman wrote:
> >>>> I too have noticed a drop off in photos submitted
> >>>> in the last few days. It's fairly important to
> >>>> determine what caused the drop off if we can. It might be
> >>>> something totally outside of our control, e.g. the situation
> >>>> in Syria, but might be something like a change in banner
> >>>> display, which we do have some control over. Did the drop
> >>>> happen in most countries? We don't have full control
> >>>> over all Wikimedia banners - we do have to share the space
> >>>> with others, but perhaps they might be willing to delay some
> >>>> of their displays if we ask nicely.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> I do agree that changing the banner from
> >>>> time-to-time can help. I don't agree that a banner of
> >>>> ""Participate
> >>>> in the world's largest photo-contest and
> >>>> help Wikipedia,"
> >>>> would help any. The imperative verb
> >>>> "Participate" is very weak, and is not natural to
> >>>> American English speakers. It suggests a high school home
> >>>> economics teacher telling us that we have to bring cookies
> >>>> to the annual bake-off. Something more active is
> >>>> definitely needed, something along the line (but not
> >>>> exactly) of a high school football coach saying "Go out
> >>>> there and kick some butt!" That would definitely get
> >>>> some attention as a banner, but not the exact type of
> >>>> attention we want. A teaser ad might work however, e.g.
> >>>> "About your photos on Wikipedia .... (smaller type)
> >>>> upload them to Wiki Loves Monuments"
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> "Snap"
> >>>> might be a verb we want to use. It gives an idea of the
> >>>> action that we want people to take (snap a snapshot), unlike
> >>>> "participate." So perhaps "Snap a historic
> >>>> site, Wiki Loves Monuments" It could wake people up. Or
> >>>> maybe "Snap a snapshot for Wikipedia". As a noun
> >>>> "It's a snap, Wiki Loves
> >>>> Monuments"
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> I don't
> >>>> think these ideas are good enough yet for an actual banner,
> >>>> but I think that folks should brain-storm this and come up
> >>>> with new ideas. Straight informative banners can sound
> >>>> bureaucratic or just boring. Different languages or
> >>>> dialects should be considered separately, as translations
> >>>> are really tricky, e.g. "It's a snap" might
> >>>> mean something entirely different in British
> >>>> English
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> PeteUser:Smallbones
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
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