[Wiki Loves Monuments] [Wlm2013-l] drop off in submissions, banner
Matthew Roth Wikimedia
mroth at wikimedia.org
Thu Sep 19 16:16:09 UTC 2013
I read it as being pushy, if not rude. Maybe a British humor thing we don't all get?
Matthew
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On Sep 19, 2013, at 9:10 AM, Michael Maggs <Michael at maggs.name> wrote:
> It's not rude: it has a double meaning in English. Maybe this would not work in other languages.
>
> Michael
>
> On 19 Sep 2013, at 16:59, Osmar Valdebenito wrote:
>
>> To me, it sounds very rude.
>> I would say something reminding that we are on the last days of the competition and that you can still help Wikipedia and win...
>>
>> Osmar Valdebenito G.
>> Director Ejecutivo
>> A. C. Wikimedia Argentina
>>
>>
>> 2013/9/19 Richard Symonds <richard.symonds at wikimedia.org.uk>
>>> This sounds very sensible.
>>>
>>> Richard Symonds
>>> Wikimedia UK
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>>> On 19 September 2013 16:34, Michael Maggs <Michael at maggs.name> wrote:
>>>> As there seems to be little international discussion about updating the CentralNotice text, I'm proposing in the next day or two to change the the text for the UK (only) to
>>>>
>>>> Where have you been? Send us some photos!
>>>>
>>>> If anyone objects, please let me know.
>>>>
>>>> Michael
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 12 Sep 2013, at 05:10, Karthik Nadar wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 1:21 AM, Romaine Wiki <romaine_wiki at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Perhaps the best place for talking about the banners of the CentralNotice is at:
>>>>>> https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Commons_talk:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2013/CentralNotice
>>>>>
>>>>> Discussion kicks off there!
>>>>>
>>>>> -- Karthik.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Romaine
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --------------------------------------------
>>>>>> On Wed, 9/11/13, Lodewijk <lodewijk at effeietsanders.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] drop off in submissions, banner
>>>>>> To: "Wiki Loves Monuments Photograph Competition" <wikilovesmonuments at lists.wikimedia.org>
>>>>>> Date: Wednesday, September 11, 2013, 7:45 PM
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (oh, and ps: probably native
>>>>>> countries like the US and GB work very differently than
>>>>>> non-native English countries. Here participate would
>>>>>> definitely resonate much better, and 'snap' would
>>>>>> only be confusing. But that is probably stating the
>>>>>> obvious)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2013/9/11 Lodewijk
>>>>>> <lodewijk at effeietsanders.org>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think there are two major factors in our
>>>>>> image count:
>>>>>> 1) new participants, people who never edited
>>>>>> before. 2) super uploaders, people with more
>>>>>> than 100 images
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The highest contribution to the number of images
>>>>>> is 2) by a leap. This is mostly people with a reservoir of
>>>>>> images - primarily in Spain, Poland and Germany.
>>>>>> The banner has primarily an influence on 1),
>>>>>> which is also important. I definitely wouldn't mind a
>>>>>> change in the banner, but I would suggest to let that
>>>>>> coincide with the drop of Privacy Policy (which was poorly
>>>>>> situated - the original plan was to run it in August). In
>>>>>> some other countries, there are more banners competing even
>>>>>> (like in NL, a conference banner with call for
>>>>>> speakers).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Another way than the wording, is the
>>>>>> design.
>>>>>> I would suggest we continue this 'what is the
>>>>>> best banner' discussion on a talkpage somewhere, to keep
>>>>>> it consistent. Romaine, what would be a good location for
>>>>>> that?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lodewijk
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2013/9/11 Michael
>>>>>> Maggs <Michael at maggs.name>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Both
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Snap a snapshot for
>>>>>> Wikipedia" and "It's a snap, Wiki Loves
>>>>>> Monuments"
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> are the best I
>>>>>> have heard so far, and they would work in the UK as well as
>>>>>> the US. Maybe have them both running at 50%
>>>>>> ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Michael
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 11 Sep 2013, at 17:41,
>>>>>> Peter Ekman wrote:
>>>>>> I too have noticed a drop off in photos submitted
>>>>>> in the last few days. It's fairly important to
>>>>>> determine what caused the drop off if we can. It might be
>>>>>> something totally outside of our control, e.g. the situation
>>>>>> in Syria, but might be something like a change in banner
>>>>>> display, which we do have some control over. Did the drop
>>>>>> happen in most countries? We don't have full control
>>>>>> over all Wikimedia banners - we do have to share the space
>>>>>> with others, but perhaps they might be willing to delay some
>>>>>> of their displays if we ask nicely.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I do agree that changing the banner from
>>>>>> time-to-time can help. I don't agree that a banner of
>>>>>> ""Participate
>>>>>> in the world's largest photo-contest and
>>>>>> help Wikipedia,"
>>>>>> would help any. The imperative verb
>>>>>> "Participate" is very weak, and is not natural to
>>>>>> American English speakers. It suggests a high school home
>>>>>> economics teacher telling us that we have to bring cookies
>>>>>> to the annual bake-off. Something more active is
>>>>>> definitely needed, something along the line (but not
>>>>>> exactly) of a high school football coach saying "Go out
>>>>>> there and kick some butt!" That would definitely get
>>>>>> some attention as a banner, but not the exact type of
>>>>>> attention we want. A teaser ad might work however, e.g.
>>>>>> "About your photos on Wikipedia .... (smaller type)
>>>>>> upload them to Wiki Loves Monuments"
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Snap"
>>>>>> might be a verb we want to use. It gives an idea of the
>>>>>> action that we want people to take (snap a snapshot), unlike
>>>>>> "participate." So perhaps "Snap a historic
>>>>>> site, Wiki Loves Monuments" It could wake people up. Or
>>>>>> maybe "Snap a snapshot for Wikipedia". As a noun
>>>>>> "It's a snap, Wiki Loves
>>>>>> Monuments"
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't
>>>>>> think these ideas are good enough yet for an actual banner,
>>>>>> but I think that folks should brain-storm this and come up
>>>>>> with new ideas. Straight informative banners can sound
>>>>>> bureaucratic or just boring. Different languages or
>>>>>> dialects should be considered separately, as translations
>>>>>> are really tricky, e.g. "It's a snap" might
>>>>>> mean something entirely different in British
>>>>>> English
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> PeteUser:Smallbones
>>>>
>>>>
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