[Wiki Loves Monuments] [Wlm2013-l] drop off in submissions, banner

Thu Sep 19 16:10:08 UTC 2013

It's not rude: it has a double meaning in English. Maybe this would not work in other languages.

Michael

On 19 Sep 2013, at 16:59, Osmar Valdebenito wrote:

> To me, it sounds very rude.
> I would say something reminding that we are on the last days of the competition and that you can still help Wikipedia and win... 
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> Osmar Valdebenito G.
> Director Ejecutivo
> A. C. Wikimedia Argentina
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> 2013/9/19 Richard Symonds <richard.symonds at wikimedia.org.uk>
> This sounds very sensible. 
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> Richard Symonds
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> On 19 September 2013 16:34, Michael Maggs <Michael at maggs.name> wrote:
> As there seems to be little international discussion about updating the CentralNotice text, I'm proposing in the next day or two to change the the text for the UK (only) to
> 
> Where have you been?   Send us some photos!
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> If anyone objects, please let me know.
> 
> Michael
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> On 12 Sep 2013, at 05:10, Karthik Nadar wrote:
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>> On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 1:21 AM, Romaine Wiki <romaine_wiki at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Perhaps the best place for talking about the banners of the CentralNotice is at:
>> https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Commons_talk:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2013/CentralNotice
>> 
>> Discussion kicks off there!
>> 
>> -- Karthik. 
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>> 
>> Romaine
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>> On Wed, 9/11/13, Lodewijk <lodewijk at effeietsanders.org> wrote:
>> 
>>  Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] drop off in submissions, banner
>>  To: "Wiki Loves Monuments Photograph Competition" <wikilovesmonuments at lists.wikimedia.org>
>>  Date: Wednesday, September 11, 2013, 7:45 PM
>> 
>>  (oh, and ps: probably native
>>  countries like the US and GB work very differently than
>>  non-native English countries. Here participate would
>>  definitely resonate much better, and 'snap' would
>>  only be confusing. But that is probably stating the
>>  obvious)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  2013/9/11 Lodewijk
>>  <lodewijk at effeietsanders.org>
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>> 
>>  I think there are two major factors in our
>>  image count: 
>>  1) new participants, people who never edited
>>  before. 2) super uploaders, people with more
>>  than 100 images
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  The highest contribution to the number of images
>>  is 2) by a leap. This is mostly people with a reservoir of
>>  images - primarily in Spain, Poland and Germany.
>>  The banner has primarily an influence on 1),
>>  which is also important. I definitely wouldn't mind a
>>  change in the banner, but I would suggest to let that
>>  coincide with the drop of Privacy Policy (which was poorly
>>  situated - the original plan was to run it in August). In
>>  some other countries, there are more banners competing even
>>  (like in NL, a conference banner with call for
>>  speakers). 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  Another way than the wording, is the
>>  design. 
>>  I would suggest we continue this 'what is the
>>  best banner' discussion on a talkpage somewhere, to keep
>>  it consistent. Romaine, what would be a good location for
>>  that? 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  Lodewijk
>> 
>>  2013/9/11 Michael
>>  Maggs <Michael at maggs.name>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  Both 
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>> 
>>  "Snap a snapshot for
>>  Wikipedia" and "It's a snap, Wiki Loves
>>  Monuments"
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  are the best I
>>  have heard so far, and they would work in the UK as well as
>>  the US. Maybe have them both running at 50%
>>  ?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  Michael
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>> 
>> 
>>  On 11 Sep 2013, at 17:41,
>>  Peter Ekman wrote:
>>  I too have noticed a drop off in photos submitted
>>  in the last few days.  It's fairly important to
>>  determine what caused the drop off if we can.  It might be
>>  something totally outside of our control, e.g. the situation
>>  in Syria, but might be something like a change in banner
>>  display, which we do have some control over. Did the drop
>>  happen in most countries? We don't have full control
>>  over all Wikimedia banners - we do have to share the space
>>  with others, but perhaps they might be willing to delay some
>>  of their displays if we ask nicely.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  I do agree that changing the banner from
>>  time-to-time can help. I don't agree that a banner of
>>  ""Participate
>>  in the world's largest photo-contest and
>>  help Wikipedia,"
>>  would help any.  The imperative verb
>>  "Participate" is very weak, and is not natural to
>>  American English speakers.  It suggests a high school home
>>  economics teacher telling us that we have to bring cookies
>>  to the annual bake-off.  Something more active is
>>  definitely needed, something along the line (but not
>>  exactly) of a high school football coach saying "Go out
>>  there and kick some butt!"  That would definitely get
>>  some attention as a banner, but not the exact type of
>>  attention we want.  A teaser ad might work however, e.g.
>>  "About your photos on Wikipedia .... (smaller type)
>>  upload them to Wiki Loves Monuments"
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  "Snap"
>>  might be a verb we want to use.  It gives an idea of the
>>  action that we want people to take (snap a snapshot), unlike
>>  "participate."  So perhaps "Snap a historic
>>  site, Wiki Loves Monuments" It could wake people up. Or
>>  maybe "Snap a snapshot for Wikipedia".  As a noun
>>  "It's a snap, Wiki Loves
>>  Monuments"
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  I don't
>>  think these ideas are good enough yet for an actual banner,
>>  but I think that folks should brain-storm this and come up
>>  with new ideas.  Straight informative banners can sound
>>  bureaucratic or just boring.  Different languages or
>>  dialects should be considered separately, as translations
>>  are really tricky, e.g. "It's a snap" might
>>  mean something entirely different in British
>>  English
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  PeteUser:Smallbones
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