[Wiki Loves Monuments] WikiLovesMonuments Digest, Vol 19, Issue 7

Lodewijk lodewijk at effeietsanders.org
Mon Jul 2 19:41:25 UTC 2012

Hi Andy,

it is sad to hear that now the *name* is being blamed for WMUK not
participating. My impression was that WMUK does not participate because no
volunteer wanted to step forward and drive the initiative (no matter the
name - that kind of things can be resolved if discussed openly).

Fact is that words mean something else apparently in different parts of the
world. In continental Europe, the word monument works just fine in this
context. Fact is also that all alternative descriptions that have been
suggested when we had this discussion back in January/February (which is
the time to have such discussion) were even worse when it comes to being
descriptive - usually it was either way too broad, or way too narrow. At
least 'monument' is correct when you use the right dictionary definition
(although the meaning of the word depends, as you described correctly, on
the context). The solution in most countries has been found by using the
national word for monument (rijksmonument, listed buildings, historic
place) in the beginning of the description.

Again, having such discussion early on is key in a multinational project
like this. I hope we can now just work with what we have :)


2012/7/2 Andy Mabbett <andy at pigsonthewing.org.uk>

> On 2 July 2012 17:24, Peter Ekman <pdekman at gmail.com> wrote:
> > One more American quirk - "Monuments" here means lots of things here -
> > but is probably most associated with what we've been calling "public
> > art" - sculptures to famous people.  Another use is for "gravestone".
> > So while most of us probably understand how "registered historic
> > places" fits in with "Wiki Loves Monuments" it seems just a bit off.
> > Any chance of getting a new title next July??!
> This applies in the UK too, where I suspect it was a significant
> factor in the initiative not taking off, this year.
> "Wiki loves buildings", "...architecture" or even "...listed
> buildings" (the latter very UK specific) would be more descriptive.
> --
> Andy Mabbett
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> http://pigsonthewing.org.uk
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