[Mediawiki-i18n] Italics for Macedonian wiki

Fri Jan 29 14:47:25 UTC 2016

That would be our last resort. More likely, we'll find suitable uniform
ones.

May I ask if it will be possible to display them everywhere when using
Macedonian as interface language, or just on our wiki?

Cheers,
Bojan

On 29 January 2016 at 15:31, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hoi,
> You can use an existing freely licensed font as a base and only change the
> characters that need to differ. This is a better approach as it allows for
> the use of the font in other circumstances as well.
> Thanks,
>      GerardM
>
> On 29 January 2016 at 13:47, Bojan Jankuloski <bojan.jankuloski at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hello.
>>
>> Thanks for looking into the matter. We will now contact the leading font
>> designer in Macedonia, and will consult him about a free font that is
>> suitable visually, i.e.that does not look that different from the present
>> italics.
>>
>> By the way, can we make only the italics use this font, or is it a
>> technical necessity that it must affect all text on the wiki?
>>
>> Thanks a lot again
>> Bojan
>>
>> On 29 January 2016 at 08:05, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hoi,
>>> The obvious solution is in using fonts that work properly for a language
>>> as it is possible to use a font based on the language code used for a text
>>> (standard MediaWiki functionality).
>>>
>>> It is therefore only a matter of using the right font and almost
>>> everything will be good.
>>>
>>> The obvious question is, is there a freely licensed font that can be
>>> used.
>>> Thanks,
>>>       GerardM
>>>
>>> On 28 January 2016 at 18:32, Bojan Jankuloski <
>>> bojan.jankuloski at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I writing to you by recoomendation of Andre Klapper
>>>> <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:AKlapper_(WMF)> about the issue,
>>>> and he said that I should ask The Language Engineering team about the issue
>>>> I wrote about.
>>>>
>>>> I am writing as a bureaucrat of mk.wiki on the suggestion of other
>>>> active editors and admins who feel that there is one issue that needs
>>>> addressing on our wiki.
>>>> Namely, that is the italics, whenever we use them. Unicode
>>>> automatically shows the East Slavic italics, where several letters are
>>>> different than in our own (and Serbian) alphabet. See the heading Differences
>>>> from other Cyrillic alphabets
>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serbian_Cyrillic_alphabet#Differences_from_other_Cyrillic_alphabets> in
>>>> the Serbian alphabet article (the image to the right shows the
>>>> differences.. The correct ones for Macedonian and Serbian are i in the
>>>> rightmost, yellow column). Same applies to Macedonian, i.e. it is the same
>>>> letters that are different. In the text further near the end of the
>>>> section, it mentions OpenType and things I don't udnerstand.
>>>>
>>>> Our question, as a wiki-community is: is it possible to have something
>>>> done on our wiki (something to be installed) or elsewhere, so that we will
>>>> get the proper letters? I know that some free fonts support this, but I am
>>>> not sure which. I am sure the Serbians will also be interested to implement
>>>> this on their wiki (although their case is somewhat more complicated by the
>>>> fact they use dual script on all pages).
>>>>
>>>> We, as a community, use different operating systems and browsers, but
>>>> everyone sees the Russian-Bulgarian italics, not the Macedonian/Serbian
>>>> ones.
>>>>
>>>> Below I have a screenshot of a test I just made for each of the
>>>> letters. Here is again the table of differences
>>>> <https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Serbian_Cyrillic_Italic.svg>.
>>>> The ones we want are in the rightmost (yellow) column. We are asking if it
>>>> is possible for all italics to be displayed this way on the wiki. This will
>>>> need some special intervention (I assume) as currently we don't have them,
>>>> but the Russo-Bulgarian in stead. (See screenshot below)
>>>>
>>>> This applies to every OS and browser, because it is a standard by
>>>> Unicode that hasn't been modified yet to introduce our letters, and so it
>>>> is, by definition, impossible for us to get Maced./Serb. italics without
>>>> tweaks in the wiki. Our question is: are those tweaks possible, so our
>>>> italics will look like that in the yellow column.
>>>>
>>>> I hope there may be a solution for our community.
>>>>
>>>> Thank you very much,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Bojan Jankuoski,
>>>> User: User Bjankuloski06 / Б. Јанкулоски
>>>> <https://mk.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9A%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:Bjankuloski06>
>>>>
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>>>>
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