[Mediawiki-i18n] Italics for Macedonian wiki

Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen at gmail.com
Fri Jan 29 14:31:40 UTC 2016


Hoi,
You can use an existing freely licensed font as a base and only change the
characters that need to differ. This is a better approach as it allows for
the use of the font in other circumstances as well.
Thanks,
     GerardM

On 29 January 2016 at 13:47, Bojan Jankuloski <bojan.jankuloski at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hello.
>
> Thanks for looking into the matter. We will now contact the leading font
> designer in Macedonia, and will consult him about a free font that is
> suitable visually, i.e.that does not look that different from the present
> italics.
>
> By the way, can we make only the italics use this font, or is it a
> technical necessity that it must affect all text on the wiki?
>
> Thanks a lot again
> Bojan
>
> On 29 January 2016 at 08:05, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hoi,
>> The obvious solution is in using fonts that work properly for a language
>> as it is possible to use a font based on the language code used for a text
>> (standard MediaWiki functionality).
>>
>> It is therefore only a matter of using the right font and almost
>> everything will be good.
>>
>> The obvious question is, is there a freely licensed font that can be used.
>> Thanks,
>>       GerardM
>>
>> On 28 January 2016 at 18:32, Bojan Jankuloski <bojan.jankuloski at gmail.com
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> I writing to you by recoomendation of Andre Klapper
>>> <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:AKlapper_(WMF)> about the issue,
>>> and he said that I should ask The Language Engineering team about the issue
>>> I wrote about.
>>>
>>> I am writing as a bureaucrat of mk.wiki on the suggestion of other
>>> active editors and admins who feel that there is one issue that needs
>>> addressing on our wiki.
>>> Namely, that is the italics, whenever we use them. Unicode automatically
>>> shows the East Slavic italics, where several letters are different than in
>>> our own (and Serbian) alphabet. See the heading Differences from other
>>> Cyrillic alphabets
>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serbian_Cyrillic_alphabet#Differences_from_other_Cyrillic_alphabets> in
>>> the Serbian alphabet article (the image to the right shows the
>>> differences.. The correct ones for Macedonian and Serbian are i in the
>>> rightmost, yellow column). Same applies to Macedonian, i.e. it is the same
>>> letters that are different. In the text further near the end of the
>>> section, it mentions OpenType and things I don't udnerstand.
>>>
>>> Our question, as a wiki-community is: is it possible to have something
>>> done on our wiki (something to be installed) or elsewhere, so that we will
>>> get the proper letters? I know that some free fonts support this, but I am
>>> not sure which. I am sure the Serbians will also be interested to implement
>>> this on their wiki (although their case is somewhat more complicated by the
>>> fact they use dual script on all pages).
>>>
>>> We, as a community, use different operating systems and browsers, but
>>> everyone sees the Russian-Bulgarian italics, not the Macedonian/Serbian
>>> ones.
>>>
>>> Below I have a screenshot of a test I just made for each of the letters.
>>> Here is again the table of differences
>>> <https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Serbian_Cyrillic_Italic.svg>.
>>> The ones we want are in the rightmost (yellow) column. We are asking if it
>>> is possible for all italics to be displayed this way on the wiki. This will
>>> need some special intervention (I assume) as currently we don't have them,
>>> but the Russo-Bulgarian in stead. (See screenshot below)
>>>
>>> This applies to every OS and browser, because it is a standard by
>>> Unicode that hasn't been modified yet to introduce our letters, and so it
>>> is, by definition, impossible for us to get Maced./Serb. italics without
>>> tweaks in the wiki. Our question is: are those tweaks possible, so our
>>> italics will look like that in the yellow column.
>>>
>>> I hope there may be a solution for our community.
>>>
>>> Thank you very much,
>>>
>>>
>>> Bojan Jankuoski,
>>> User: User Bjankuloski06 / Б. Јанкулоски
>>> <https://mk.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9A%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA:Bjankuloski06>
>>>
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>>>
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