[Mediawiki-i18n] Internationalizing project names

Amir E. Aharoni amir.aharoni at mail.huji.ac.il
Wed Sep 16 07:11:16 UTC 2015

Oh sorry, now I see that you created a bug already. I guess I'll continue

Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי
‪“We're living in pieces,
I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore‬

2015-09-16 9:55 GMT+03:00 Amir E. Aharoni <amir.aharoni at mail.huji.ac.il>:

> I'm really happy that this is brought up.
> We have a similar issue in ContentTranslation, where we have to say things
> like "Translate this article from __________" (
> https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T105588 ). In English it doesn't look
> like a problem, because you can simply put a language name in the space and
> it will be correct, but in Russian and in many other languages every
> language name will have a different ending according to the Russian
> grammar. It's not easily predictable if you want to cover all the words in
> a language, but since the number of language names in the world is fairly
> limited (in practice - less than one thousand), a few lines of code can
> resolve it.
> As a pet project I started implementing a solution for something like this
> that would allow doing this in Russian:
> https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/172501/
> I also made a simplistic extension called "TestLanguageNameGrammar" that
> should help translators see how the different language names appear with
> the different grammar rules. After some cleanup it hope to get it deployed
> on translatewiki.net for the translators' benefit.
> Once it's merged it will be possible to do it in all MediaWiki-based
> software, and similar patches will have to be written for other languages
> by people who know these languages.
> Niklas suggested doing it with less code and more data (see the comments
> on the patch), but it's generally conceivable.
> Erik, until we have a nice solution (hopefully soon, once I get that patch
> merged), please
> 1. just take the translated names from CLDR
> 2. create a bug similar to https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T105588 for
> your project, and list the relevant message there
> For names of projects like "Wikipedia", "Wikisource", etc., you should use
> the WikimediaMessages extension. It can also be used to write grammar rules
> for project names if needed (see the file WikimediaGrammarForms.php there;
> it is maintained according to community feedback and usually shouldn't
> directly bother extension developers very much, but it's useful to be
> familiar with it).
> --
> Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי
> http://aharoni.wordpress.com
> ‪“We're living in pieces,
> I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore‬
> 2015-09-16 1:34 GMT+03:00 Erik Bernhardson <ebernhardson at wikimedia.org>:
>> Within search we are moving forward with cross-wiki searching.
>> This means if you go to de.wikipedia.org and search for
>> ''Ревест-Сен-Мартен" we should show a message like:
>> No results found on the German Wikipedia
>> Showing results from the Russian Wikipedia
>> Except of course, it should be (beware machine translation):
>> Keine Ergebnisse auf dem deutschen Wikipedia gefunden
>> Zeige Ergebnis aus der russischen Wikipedia
>> So somehow, we have to map from a wiki id (ruwiki, enwiki, dewiki, etc)
>> to a localized (not for that wiki, for every other wiki in all languages)
>> version of that project name. How can we go about this?
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