[Translators-l] Tech/News translations title

[Philippe Verdy]

Why do we do that ? You should expand the wikicode on the source wiki,
before posting it !

It's true that this is something that MassMessage should be able to do
itself: not posting random wiki code, but expanding it on the source.

This would be more reliable, and then no need to import various templates
(possibly incompatible or conflicting) along with posted messages: the
posted messages would contain absolutely no template transclusion.

This would also mean that we don't need to use "m:" prefixes: the wiki
links that do work on the source wiki will continue working on the target
one (but MassMessage must translate these interwiki prefixes itself,
because the wiki expansion does not generate the HTML, but stops at the
full expansion of the wikisyntax, and it's impossible to post URLs without
breaking the code in many places where URLs are not accepted, but wikilinks
do work).

If then MassMessage posts to emails, it will ask for the conversion of
the wiki code (already fully expanded on the source wiki) into HTML to
generate the email bodies.



2014-02-10 19:21 GMT+01:00 Seb35 <seb35wikipedia at gmail.com>:

> With MassMessage, the wikicode is executed on the target wiki, not on
> Meta. So there is no chance the pages Translations:Tech/News/2014/07/Page
> display title/* exist on the target wiki; the translations have to be
> imported in a way or another on the target wikis.
>
> ~ Seb35
>
> Le Sun, 09 Feb 2014 21:31:44 +0100, Philippe Verdy <verdy_p at wanadoo.fr> a
> écrit:
>
>  I do not see the interest of duplicating the existing title already in the
>> Translate: namespace into a separately translatable template (which will
>> also recreate an entry for the translated item, so the item will be
>> tripled
>> !
>> Why don't you just test and use the existing Page title item which is
>> directly in the Translations: namespace ?
>>
>> Post the mass message with title (French version tested here):
>>
>>
>> [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2014/07|{{subst:#ifexist:
>> Translations:Tech/News/2014/07/Page
>> display title/fr|{{Translations:Tech/News/2014/07/Page display
>> title/fr}}|Tech News: 2014-W07}}
>>
>>
>> Note that you could even create a template that uses TNT to get the
>> translated title:
>>
>>     {{TNT|Translations:Tech/News/2014/07/Page display title}}
>>
>> TNT by default uses the language detected in the content of the current
>> page (independantly of user's preference) ; to use the user
>> preferred/selectedlanguage (like Special:MyLanguage/) you can pass the
>> parameter "uselang={{uselang}}", e.g.
>>
>>     {{TNT|Translations:Tech/News/2014/07/Page display
>> title|uselang={{uselang}}}}
>>
>>
>>
>> 2014-02-08 12:36 GMT+01:00 Seb35 <seb35wikipedia at gmail.com>:
>>
>>  A proposition:
>>>
>>> 1/ Translate on Meta the message "Tech News: {{{1}}}-{{{2}}}" (anywhere,
>>> for instance in Template:Tech header)
>>>
>>> 2/ Replicate by bot or by hand this message on each language wiki (WP,
>>> WS,
>>> etc.) into a template {{Tech News title}} containing the corresponding
>>> translation of "Tech News: {{{1}}}-{{{2}}}"
>>>
>>> 3/ Post the mass message with title "[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/
>>> News/2014/07|{{subst:#ifexist:Template:Tech News title|{{subst:Tech News
>>> title|2014|07}}|Tech News: 2014-07}}]]" (perfect tweet: 140 characters :)
>>>
>>> ~ Seb35
>>>
>>>
>>> Le Sun, 02 Feb 2014 12:11:09 +0100, Guillaume Paumier <
>>> gpaumier at wikimedia.org> a écrit :
>>>
>>>  On Sun, Feb 2, 2014 at 2:07 AM, Philippe Verdy <verdy_p at wanadoo.fr>
>>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  Each translated page has a title which is accessible in the
>>>>> Translations:
>>>>> namespace, which uses the sub-id "Page display title" instead of the
>>>>> numeric
>>>>> id of a translation unit in the source page, just before hte language
>>>>> code.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Yes. the problem is not to access the translation, but to post it.
>>>>
>>>> When we were using EdwardsBot, we discussed the possibility of using a
>>>> #switch for the title based on the wiki's {{CONTENTLANG}} (like we do
>>>> for the message's body), but the limitation on the length of MediaWiki
>>>> edit summaries prevented us from doing that.
>>>>
>>>> We're now using MassMessage, but that limitation remains. I've tried
>>>> to include the title in the body (the downside being that there would
>>>> be a blank edit summary), but MassMessage doesn't allow to send
>>>> messages without a title.
>>>>
>>>> Which brings me back to: If someone has ideas about how to do it, I'm
>>>> happy to try. :)
>>>>
>>>>
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