[Wiki Loves Monuments] unique identifier for the monument

Tue Jul 19 21:59:11 UTC 2016

Hey Olanian,

maybe it would help if you could share what definition of 'monument' you're
planning to use? That could give us some insight, and make answering
easier.

Best,
Lodewijk

2016-07-19 19:27 GMT+02:00 Lily <lilyofthewest.wikimedia at gmail.com>:

> + André
>
> Hi all,
>
> Below you can find my comments:
>
> *Brazil*
> Juliana, it is okay for your monuments to belong to multiple lists. In
> your case, you can create three top level entry points for lists by the National
> Institute of Cultural Heritage Preservation, the States and the
> Municipalities. This way, participants may have multiple entry points to a
> single monument, which is fine. :) This being said, please document this
> clearly, as when the data is going to be transferred to Wikidata, we may
> need to be aware of this.
>
> *Ukraine*
> Vira, this is an important question and something we should address with
> the Wikidata community. :) André works on transitioning the data to
> Wikidata and it would be great to hear his thoughts here.
>
> *Nigeria*
> Shola, you are already being helped by others which is great. :) Three
> more things to share:
>
> 1) Please make sure that there is no official monument ID. If you have
> doubts, please ask a bit more. It's best for us to use the official numbers
> when they exist. :)
>
> 2) You can read about the use of unique identifiers and how to define them
> here
> <https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2016/Lists_of_monuments#What_to_keep_in_mind_with_creating_a_list_of_monuments.3F>.
> That link refers to the same link Vicenç mentioned earlier and it tells
> you a bit more as well.
>
> 3) In the case of Nigeria, my suggestion is for you to wait for Romaine to
> work with you to create the lists on Wikipedia (Follow up at
> https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T140583). After that, I'd like us to
> have a discussion with André to see what the best way to create IDs for
> Nigeria is. We used to recommend creating IDs to countries when no official
> monument ID existed, however, now that Wikidata is more present in our
> ecosystem, it's not clear that we should do that. We may want to create the
> lists on Wikipedia first, make sure that each monument on the list has a
> corresponding item in Wikidata, and then potentially use that Wikidata item
> number as the unique ID for the monument.
>
> Cheers,
> Leila
>
> On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 8:20 AM, Vicenç <vriullop at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> It deppends on your source. If it is published you can use something
>> useful for your reference, like "source identifier"-"page number"-"monument
>> order within the page". If it is hard the construct an unique identifier,
>> you can add a preffix with subdivisions codes like
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_3166-2:NG
>>
>>
>> In Wikipedia this is considered original research, so try to make it as
>> close as possible to a reference system.
>>
>>
>> Vicenç
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> *De:* WikiLovesMonuments <wikilovesmonuments-bounces at lists.wikimedia.org>
>> de part de Olushola Olaniyan <olaniyanshola15 at gmail.com>
>> *Enviat el:* dimarts, 19 de juliol de 2016 16:22
>> *Per a:* Mārtiņš Bruņenieks; Wiki Loves Monuments Photograph Competition
>> *Tema:* Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] unique identifier for the monument
>>
>> That's cool!
>>
>> It's there a standard way of numbering?
>>
>> I will appreciate if anyone on the platform can help me with it.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Olaniyan Olushola
>> Director, Wikimedia UG Nigeria
>> Project Lead, Wiki Loves Women
>> Treasurer, FOSSFA
>> MD, Olbims Consulting (ERP Consultant)
>> Phone: +2348154876844|2348167352512
>> Email: olaniyanshola15 at gmail.com
>> olaniyanshola at yahoo.com
>> |treasurer at fossfa.net
>> Olushola at wikiloveswomen.org
>> User: Olaniyan Olushola
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>>
>> *From: *Mārtiņš Bruņenieks
>> *Sent: *Tuesday, July 19, 2016 3:19 PM
>> *To: *Wiki Loves Monuments Photograph Competition
>> *Reply To: *Wiki Loves Monuments Photograph Competition
>> *Subject: *Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] unique identifier for the monument
>>
>> Hi!
>>
>> You should invent an identifyer yourself so that later you can match
>> these with official lists when they are published.
>>
>>  Mārtiņš
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 5:16 PM, Olushola Olaniyan <
>> olaniyanshola15 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> In Nigeria, majority of the museums are not computerised. Hence, they do
>>> not have a unique identifier for the monument.
>>>
>>> What can we do in this case?
>>>
>>> Olaniyan Olushola
>>> Director, Wikimedia UG Nigeria
>>> Project Lead, Wiki Loves Women
>>> Treasurer, FOSSFA
>>> MD, Olbims Consulting (ERP Consultant)
>>> Phone: +2348154876844|2348167352512
>>> Email: olaniyanshola15 at gmail.com
>>> olaniyanshola at yahoo.com
>>> |treasurer at fossfa.net
>>> Olushola at wikiloveswomen.org
>>> User: Olaniyan Olushola
>>> Facebook: Olaniyan Shola
>>> Twitter :Oluwanishola73
>>>
>>> *From: *Juliana Monteiro
>>> *Sent: *Tuesday, July 19, 2016 3:05 PM
>>> *To: *Wiki Loves Monuments Photograph Competition
>>> *Reply To: *Wiki Loves Monuments Photograph Competition
>>> *Subject: *Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] unique identifier for the monument
>>>
>>> Thanks. Vira. It is my first time in WLM Brazil and I hope that me and
>>> my volunteer colleagues can find a good solution. As you said, maybe it is
>>> going to be easier to follow the lists with the highest rank. And about the
>>> Wikidata, I hope we can have time to work on there too. If it happens, we
>>> will be glad to share the experience here.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Juliana
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2016-07-19 10:14 GMT-03:00 Vira Motorko <vira.motorko at gmail.com>:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I can put here a little about WLM in Ukrainian. Just as in Brazil, our
>>>> monuments appear in lists of different levels with different IDs.
>>>> Moreover, official IDs are not unique through the state and may repeat
>>>> in different regions.
>>>> We created our own system of giving IDs to monuments. We would like to
>>>> save them because the system we cteated is very convenient. But, being
>>>> original research, these IDs prevent us from transferring all the lists to
>>>> Wikidata.
>>>>
>>>> If you have official IDs, use them (I guess).
>>>> If there are several of the them for the same monument, it may be
>>>> reasonable to take the ID from the list with the highest rank.
>>>> If you can advise us what to do with on-wiki-created IDs concerning
>>>> Wikidata, I will be happy :)
>>>>
>>>> I don't speak on behalf of WLM UA orgs, just on my own.
>>>>
>>>> Best
>>>>
>>>> *--*
>>>> *Vira Motorko*
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>>>
>>>
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>>>
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