[Wiki Loves Monuments] Pulled the plug on ErfgoedBot

attolippip attolippip at gmail.com
Sun Jun 28 11:57:52 UTC 2015

Dear Jane, Maarten,
Dear all,

I am actually sorry that some of you get depressed and dissapointed
Please do not give up. Well, it is easier, I agree. But other things are to
be taken into consideration

For example, a whole lot of you do not have war going on in your country.
And we have
We lose people, the best people maybe, as they are acting on their dreams,
and people are to have dreams to move on
We lose cultural and natural monuments. Because of war and because of
simple negligence

This wooden church has got burned just because [1]. And as the war is going
on, we are not sure if people (surely not our state) can spare enough
resources to get it rebuilt. We are lucky to have its image before the fire
[2] and WLM is to be 'blamed' here

This natural monument is called Balka Ploska [3]. The images were uploaded
during Wiki Loves Earth contests [4].
In 2002 this cute animal - *Hemiechinus auritus -* was discovered there
[5], and it it a very rare animal in our country
Balka Ploska got burned because of war [6]...
You can rebuilt a cultural monument (to some extent of course), but it is
kind of impossible to restore nature...
Well, we do have some positive video coverage from Chernobyl Exclusion Zone
[7]. We actually received a  wildlife reserve thanks to the nuclear
disaster. There are wolves there, foxes. They are not afraid of people [8]

What I am awkwardly trying to tell you all here, is this: please consider
the things from different points of view
The hardships are going to to exist everywhere. That's a given
But do think that you can make the difference here, I believe.

Photos can be uploaded locally. Used locally. We are going to have 'a world
in which every single person on the planet is given free access to the sum
of all human knowledge'. Just need more time and efforts

Anyway thank you for everything done up to this moment. It matters

P.S. ErfgoedBot (I believe) matters a lot for people outside the Wikimedia

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1rUccd_0E8
[3] https://uk.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?curid=1931998
[4] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Balka_Ploska
[6] https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=zbSMscEgA8nQ.k3-ikECY7sf0
[7] http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-32452085
[8] http://www.radiosvoboda.org/media/video/26975013.html

Best regards,
ED of Wikimedia Ukraine

2015-06-28 14:02 GMT+03:00 Jane Darnell <jane023 at gmail.com>:

> Wow - I didn't know Russavia was still active on Commons, but there you
> have it - blocks only are effective at banning relative newbies. I am sorry
> to read about your lack of motivation, but frankly, with the direction
> things are going in the European Parliament at the moment with FoP I see
> bad times ahead for WLM in the Netherlands and the rest of Europe. I find
> the whole process that Julia Reda has been going through quite upsetting to
> watch from the sidelines. Even though I know she has lots of supporters I
> have been amazed at the attacks on her judgement, her program, her party,
> and her work. In the Wikiverse I have always gravitated to the areas where
> I feel my edits are likely to last the longest. I don't want to spend any
> effort on things that *might* land in the waste bin when there is so much
> to be done that is public domain no matter how hard you try to stuff it
> into closed systems. Thus my motivation for WLM this year has dropped
> drastically since the publication of the copyright harmonization report.
> On Sun, Jun 28, 2015 at 12:40 PM, Maarten Dammers <maarten at mdammers.nl>
> wrote:
>> Hi,
>> I've been running ErfgoedBot [1] since the start of Wiki Loves Monuments.
>> ErfgoedBot still runs on old pywikibot compat code that will break soon
>> [2]. I could invest time in updating the bot and I have been considering
>> doing that for quite some time, but I realized I just don't have the
>> motivation for it. Commons has become a toxic place dominated by a small
>> group of very vocal users. These users don't seem to accept that Russavia
>> is banned and to try to turn everything into "Commons community" vs "WMF"
>> battle. I don't identify with that and I don't feel like investing time in
>> a project where this behaviour is acceptable.
>> Maarten
>> [1] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:ErfgoedBot
>> [2]
>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-ambassadors/2015-June/001178.html
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