[Wiki Loves Monuments] Moving monuments database to Wikidata

Jane Darnell jane023 at gmail.com
Sun Jul 26 16:11:19 UTC 2015

No worries about Winckelman, you can use the perfectly decent German
Baedeker guides from before 1912 for Italy - most of the older visitor
attractions are in there. Basically as long as you can source the item to
any published list of note you're good to go.

Rome was not built in a day. Wikidata is a wiki like any other. You can go
start your d:Wikidata:WLMIT project pages and recreate your lists that
correspond to anything you have built on itwiki and slowly add Q numbers to
each item. Items with just a name would be problematic, so I would start
with everything you have locations for first. Later "instance of" and type
of heritage object and so forth can be added.

You can add multiple statements per item while creating items with quick
See here:

On Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at 5:34 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) <nemowiki at gmail.com>

> Jane Darnell, 26/07/2015 13:36:
>> Think of these objects as members of a collection owned by "living
>> history municipal museums". So the city hall is the list owner and you
>> go back in time to the latest usable list
> A way can be found, but there are multiple issues to solve:
> 1) the name of the object may not be unique hence we may be unable to
> satisfy Wikidata requirements on label/description uniqueness,
> 2) the proper way to state something is a cultural heritage item needs to
> be confirmed, using P31/P1435 and intermediate items or subclasses or
> whatever;
> 3) it must be fine to create items that contain no information other than
> the name;
> 4) it must be as easy to add coordinates to multiple items as it is with
> an on-wiki table;
> 5) it must be ok to use a self-hosted PDF (a letter from the entity) as
> source, as well as to lack any source for some months or years until we are
> able to publish said PDF;
> 6) it must be easy to publish new groups of items on the go, because the
> list is built gradually (and very slowly) as we get new authorisations;
> 7) there must be a way to automatically make an on-wiki table of items by
> region (currently I'm not even sure we can make an on-wiki table of
> "municipalities of Emilia-Romagna" with Wikidata? let alone listing items
> which have some connection to them through N levels of P31, P1435, P279 or
> whatever);
> 8) as for Ukraine, there needs to be a way to mark location in a single
> string which may contain anything, not necessarily a street address, while
> P969 instructions are currently lacking;
> 9+) probably other things I'm forgetting now.
> Of course we could also decide that WMIT doesn't use the "monuments
> database" in this form as we didn't use the toolserver database. :) I
> realise our situation is too messy to account for.
>  (usually made up before WWI
>> during the period 1890-1910 when it was suddenly fashionable to make
>> inventory lists of heritage sites).
> I'm afraid this fashion has yet to reach Italy, one century later. Can
> Germany please send us another Winckelmann?
> Jane Darnell, 26/07/2015 14:23:
> > The identifier in such cases should not be some random number, but the Q
> > number itself.
> This would not be manageable with the system that WLM-IT used until last
> year, where the identifier itself contain certain information (like the
> municipality code) and other parts of the process relied on this. Cristian
> Cenci would need to comment on whether that's still a requirement.
> Nemo
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