[Wiki Loves Monuments] Fwd: Moving monuments database to Wikidata

Jane Darnell jane023 at gmail.com
Sat Aug 1 09:27:14 UTC 2015

Yes I can see that it would seem counter-productive to work on an overhaul
of the current system in the middle of a competition. My experience in the
Wikiverse has taught me two important lessons however:
1) Never assume that I can influence the workload of any other
2) Never assume that I know what other Wiki(p/m)edians are able and willing
to do

That said, I am always interested when I notice things happening in the
Wikiverse that seem relevant to whatever it is that I am doing, wherever I
am doing it. I am thinking about WLM now because we are gearing up to it,
so it follows that I think about how to improve it, both for me personally
as a participant, and for me personally as a Wikidatan.

On Fri, Jul 31, 2015 at 5:44 PM, Platonides <platonides at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Fri, Jul 31, 2015 at 3:25 AM, Romaine Wiki <romaine.wiki at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> In this discussion I see multiple things being suggested, or maybe only
>> thought of.
>> * Moving the monument database to Wikidata: for the 2015 edition it will
>> not be possible because of the amount of workload. If it is possible for
>> the 2016 edition I do not know, but keep in mind that there is more needed
>> then only moving some data from location A to location B. There is a
>> complete infrastructure behind it that needs to work. Let's not think too
>> light hearted about this, the infrastructure is vital and crucial.
> +10
> Don't start thinking about migrations, this is not something that should
> be started before November.
>> * Lists of monuments maintained in one place: sorry to say, but to get
>> this completely maintained only in Wikidata is a fairytale. Not because it
>> is not possible, but because there are people involved and there are
>> requirements set for articles/lists by communities. From the Wikidata
>> perspective it sounds perhaps ideal to maintain it in one place, but then
>> the (whole) Wikipedia perspective is missing. Then you can say that you
>> edit Wikipedia a lot, but then you missed the point. There is a big clash
>> between some users who have the Wikidata perspective who think a lot of
>> codes in Wikipedia articles is okay, and users from the Wikipedia
>> perspective who think all those codes in articles are not okay. Wikipedia
>> is strongly built from the perspective that anyone can edit articles, and
>> this is something that made Wikipedia big and is often considered an
>> important characteristic of Wikipedia. Of course you can say that users can
>> edit Wikidata when there are codes in Wikipedia, but that is thought too
>> simple for multiple reasons. (...)
> An important point to be taken into account is that Wikidata is *hard* to
> edit. I can point to a wiki-based list, and no matter the template and
> curly braces perhaps looking ugly, it can be quickly grasped. I'm not sure
> we could ensure the same storing things in wikidata. And WLM in many
> countries is run by organisers that are not exactly wiki experts, much less
> wikidata ones...
> PS: Jean, send a mail if you need help with erfgoedbot.
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