[Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments 2014 has notstarted yet...

André Costa andre.costa at wikimedia.se
Mon Sep 1 19:28:16 UTC 2014


For duplicated filenames you get a warning during upload (at least you did
a few months ago). This assumes you are using the upload wizard.

It might be that filenames which trigger the advise filter give an error
afterwards instead . If so a bug/enhancement report to do this on the fly
would be an option.

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André Costa
GLAM-tekniker
Wikimedia Sverige
On 1 Sep 2014 20:57, "Lodewijk" <lodewijk at effeietsanders.org> wrote:

> the primary reason why i would strongly encourage the new users to pick a
> relevant name is to make their life easier - i would hate it to see them
> get ugly templates on their talkpage and files renamed because people think
> it is problematic. So yeah, maybe you're right, but this seems just the
> most sensible thing to advise :) This is the software and community we have
> to work with.
>
> Lodewijk
>
>
> 2014-09-01 20:53 GMT+02:00 Pierre-Selim <pierre-selim at huard.info>:
>
>> My few cts,
>> As a user, I don't care about Filename, honnestly it doesn't bring any
>> value to me, it just brings me headache. I don't care how the filesystem of
>> the media are stored, what matters to me is the metadata of my file.
>>
>> I try to give relevant filename, because the community ask for it, due to
>> having a software that ridiculously do not fit our needs, but that's the
>> only reason why. And I guess some new users are really lost when trying to
>> do their first upload.
>>
>>
>> 2014-09-01 20:45 GMT+02:00 Jan Ainali <jan.ainali at wikimedia.se>:
>>
>> Rather than random, a timestamp down to second level would be better. The
>>> likelyhood for a previous file to be named like that is close to zero and
>>> removes any problem of the need to check if the randomly produced number
>>> has been used before. Also the added information has some value as
>>> metadata, particulary in comparison to a random number. But still,
>>> DSC_XXXXX or IMG_XXXXXX style file names should be prevented.
>>>
>>>
>>> *Med vänliga hälsningar, Jan Ainali*
>>>
>>> Verksamhetschef, Wikimedia Sverige
>>> <http://se.wikimedia.org/wiki/Huvudsida>
>>> 0729 - 67 29 48
>>>
>>>
>>> *Tänk dig en värld där varje människa har fri tillgång till
>>> mänsklighetens samlade kunskap. Det är det vi gör.*
>>> Bli medlem. <http://blimedlem.wikimedia.se>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2014-09-01 20:13 GMT+02:00 werespielchequers <
>>> werespielchequers at gmail.com>:
>>>
>>>> I wonder if we could change the upload so it added a random suffix to
>>>> non-unique file names? That way the uploads would still work, and we
>>>> wouldn't lose the meaningful part of file names - sometimes the best bit
>>>> for search results.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jonathan
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -------- Original message --------
>>>> From: Racso
>>>> Date:01/09/2014 17:54 (GMT+00:00)
>>>> To: Wiki Loves Monuments Photograph Competition
>>>> Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments 2014 has
>>>> notstarted yet...
>>>>
>>>> It's clear that obscure names should be discouraged (for Wikimedia
>>>> Commons standards), but right now we may discourage participation with that
>>>> limitation. There isn't even an option to pick a new filename when an error
>>>> occurs in the UploadWizard; you have to start the upload process all over
>>>> again. Also, there isn't a quick way to check if the filename that is about
>>>> to be used is already occupied or not; you have to save, get the API error,
>>>> and start over again.
>>>>
>>>> Also, please note that the problem isn't limited only to obscure names.
>>>> The "Eiffel TowerX.jpg" (for several values of X, and with no X) name is
>>>> already occupied. The same may happen to popular monuments on each country.
>>>>
>>>> That said, I insist: we should make participation as easy as possible.
>>>> In most photo repositories (everyone except Commons?), you don't even need
>>>> to assign names to uploaded files; they are automatically generated. Yes,
>>>> they end being obscure, random names such as 12309803.jpg, but nobody cares
>>>> about that! We can't change Commons naming policies right now, but we can,
>>>> at least, help participants by reducing name collisions or making the
>>>> error-fixing process as easy as possible.
>>>>
>>>> For now, I'll try to explain in WLM-CO instructions that an "api-error-unknownerror"
>>>> means that the photo filename should be changed.
>>>>
>>>> Racso
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2014-09-01 4:53 GMT-05:00 <aktron at centrum.cz>:
>>>>
>>>>> Yes,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I have received some e-mails from various people that they do have
>>>>> this issue in WLM CZ. I do believe however it is a filename issue, as it is
>>>>> highly logical to expect files named IMG_401.JPG to be kinda problem to
>>>>> upload... as pretty much everyone tried to do so in past 10 years.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> So they were kindly asked to change the filename...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Aktron
>>>>>
>>>>> Wikimedia Czech Republic
>>>>>
>>>>> chairman
>>>>>
>>>>> ______________________________________________________________
>>>>> > Od: KaewWiki <KaewWiki at gmail.com>
>>>>> > Komu: Wiki Loves Monuments Photograph Competition <
>>>>> wikilovesmonuments at lists.wikimedia.org>
>>>>> > Datum: 01.09.2014 11:11
>>>>> > Předmět: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments 2014 has
>>>>> notstarted yet...
>>>>> >
>>>>>   Hi Rasco,
>>>>>
>>>>>  I confirmed that "<api-error-unknownerror>" is a filename problem.
>>>>>
>>>>>  We should
>>>>> (1) tell the uploader that it is a filename issue.
>>>>> (2) allow them to go back to the page where the uploader may give a
>>>>> new name -- rather than give an option to retry.
>>>>>
>>>>>  Taweetham
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 1 September 2014 14:06, Jan Ainali <jan.ainali at wikimedia.se> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> DSC0001 - 28392 is an obscure file name and should really be
>>>>>> discouraged. File names should be descriptive. If anything, the help text
>>>>>> for that field can be made clearer.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Med vänliga hälsningar, Jan Ainali*
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Verksamhetschef, Wikimedia Sverige
>>>>>> <http://se.wikimedia.org/wiki/Huvudsida>
>>>>>> 0729 - 67 29 48
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  *Tänk dig en värld där varje människa har fri tillgång till
>>>>>> mänsklighetens samlade kunskap. Det är det vi gör.*
>>>>>> Bli medlem. <http://blimedlem.wikimedia.se>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2014-09-01 9:00 GMT+02:00 Racso <racso at colombia.com>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  I had that error when doing a test upload. I retried, changing the
>>>>>>> filename, and it worked.
>>>>>>> That made me wonder: Is there a way for making the UploadWizard to
>>>>>>> append a random number to the default filename? I'm pretty sure lots of
>>>>>>> participants will have trouble because of trying to upload images with
>>>>>>> already occupied filenames, specially if the names come from cameras (e.g.
>>>>>>> DSC0001). If a random number is appended to the name (e.g. DSC0001 -
>>>>>>> 28392), we would heavily reduce this problem.
>>>>>>> Racso
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2014-08-31 22:42 GMT-05:00 KaewWiki <KaewWiki at gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> However, it now has another problem at "Describe" stage:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 77px-Örebro_slott_resynth.jpg
>>>>>>>> <api-error-unknownerror>
>>>>>>>> None of the uploads were successful.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Retry failed uploads
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Anyone has done a successful test upload?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 1 September 2014 10:09, KaewWiki <KaewWiki at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> > It is now fixed. Thank you.
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > On 1 September 2014 09:21, Romaine Wiki <romaine.wiki at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> >> I think this is a known bug of the upload wizard. Is it still
>>>>>>>> say that the
>>>>>>>> >> contest has not started yet?
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> Romaine
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> 2014-09-01 2:16 GMT+02:00 Saqib Qayyum <saqib.qayyum at hotmail.com
>>>>>>>> >:
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >>> Same here Pakistan
>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>> >>> ________________________________
>>>>>>>> >>> Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2014 02:15:51 +0200
>>>>>>>> >>> From: pierre-selim at huard.info
>>>>>>>> >>> To: wikilovesmonuments at lists.wikimedia.org
>>>>>>>> >>> Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments 2014
>>>>>>>> has not
>>>>>>>> >>> started yet...
>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>> >>> Same here when I tried to submit an image to UK contest :-)
>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>> >>> 2014-09-01 2:13 GMT+02:00 KaewWiki <KaewWiki at gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>> >>> Hello All,
>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>> >>> This is a message from WMTH.  This is about 7:05am Thailand
>>>>>>>> time or
>>>>>>>> >>> 00:05 (UTC).  I try to do a test upload and see the following
>>>>>>>> message.
>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>> >>> "Wiki Loves Monuments 2014 has not started yet.
>>>>>>>> >>> Wiki Loves Monuments will start in September. You may still
>>>>>>>> share your
>>>>>>>> >>> images, but they will not be eligible for the competition."
>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>> >>> The URL is
>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>> >>> https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:UploadWizard&campaign=wlm-th&id=0000024&descriptionlang=th&description=%5B%5B%E0%B8%81%E0%B8%B3%E0%B9%81%E0%B8%9E%E0%B8%87%E0%B9%80%E0%B8%A1%E0%B8%B7%E0%B8%AD%E0%B8%87%E0%B8%AB%E0%B8%99%E0%B9%89%E0%B8%B2%E0%B9%82%E0%B8%A3%E0%B8%87%E0%B9%80%E0%B8%A3%E0%B8%B5%E0%B8%A2%E0%B8%99%E0%B8%A7%E0%B8%B1%E0%B8%94%E0%B8%9A%E0%B8%A7%E0%B8%A3%E0%B8%99%E0%B8%B4%E0%B9%80%E0%B8%A7%E0%B8%A8%5D%5D&lat=
>>>>>>>> 13.759925059999986&lon=100.5016259999999
>>>>>>>> <https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:UploadWizard&campaign=wlm-th&id=0000024&descriptionlang=th&description=%5B%5B%E0%B8%81%E0%B8%B3%E0%B9%81%E0%B8%9E%E0%B8%87%E0%B9%80%E0%B8%A1%E0%B8%B7%E0%B8%AD%E0%B8%87%E0%B8%AB%E0%B8%99%E0%B9%89%E0%B8%B2%E0%B9%82%E0%B8%A3%E0%B8%87%E0%B9%80%E0%B8%A3%E0%B8%B5%E0%B8%A2%E0%B8%99%E0%B8%A7%E0%B8%B1%E0%B8%94%E0%B8%9A%E0%B8%A7%E0%B8%A3%E0%B8%99%E0%B8%B4%E0%B9%80%E0%B8%A7%E0%B8%A8%5D%5D&lat=13.759925059999986&lon=100.5016259999999>
>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>> >>> Anyone got the same problem?  Any solutions?
>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>> >>> Many thanks,
>>>>>>>> >>> Taweetham
>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>> >>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>> >>> Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list
>>>>>>>> >>> WikiLovesMonuments at lists.wikimedia.org
>>>>>>>> >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments
>>>>>>>> >>> http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org
>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>> >>> --
>>>>>>>> >>> Pierre-Selim
>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>> >>>
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