[Wiki Loves Monuments] Request for input: Wiki Loves-training

Lodewijk lodewijk at effeietsanders.org
Sun Nov 30 15:16:45 UTC 2014

Hi all,

aside from the two or three notes made on the page and this list, and the
offers to join the meeting - unfortunately there was very little input on
it so far. I hope this is an indication that everybody is very busy, rather
than uninterested!

I had some private discussions with folks, and based on that input, I tried
to push the proposal a bit further. If we want to make this happen, we need
to do more though! We really need your input, active participation. If we
can't even manage to make this proposal work, the active training I had in
mind will most definitely not work out. Just being fair and square: if we
don't get more participation soon, I will probably have to kill the idea,
and let it be. Would be sad!

Looking forward to your input on


On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 11:20 PM, Lodewijk <lodewijk at effeietsanders.org>

> Hi all,
> This is a quite early stage idea, so please don't shout me down for not
> having specifics yet :)
> Looking back at the past few years of Wiki Loves Monuments, Wiki Loves
> Earth and now also Wiki Loves Africa (all built upon the same philosophy
> <https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments/Philosophy>),
> it stroke me that there is so much being learned in different countries,
> but that we are not always effectively sharing that among ourselves. Even
> if we share, it doesn't seem that the best practices make it actually to
> the implementation - I think there's room for improvement here, and that
> this could increase the outcomes (in many different ways) and reduce the
> costs (especially in volunteer organizing time).
> In the first year that we organized the competition on a global scale, we
> had a very effective meeting (May 2011
> <https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2011/May_Meeting>)
> with a bunch of people from countries that indicated they wanted to
> organize WLM later that year. Although much was to be improved, it helped
> to build an effective network of people helping each other to organize
> effective competitions - sharing skills, tools and inspiration. The
> discussions there were in my opinion a major component in the success of
> the competitions in 2011 and 2012 (in 2012 we also had a shorter meeting in
> Amsterdam).
> At the same time we have seen the many challenges to get together an
> effective international team. While I want to applaud the wonderful work
> done by volunteers nationally and internationally, I had the impression
> that both at Wiki Loves Earth and later at Wiki Loves Monuments, a better
> international coordination could have helped the competition.
> I would like you to ponder a bit with me, and think whether it would be
> useful to organize again a training meeting for a variety of organizers
> around the world, where skills and experiences can be transferred, best
> practices can be shared, the network of organizers internationally can be
> strengthened and the international coordination can be given a push in the
> beginning.
> First of all, please think whether this would be a good idea, and if so
> what should be the goals, realistic outcomes and what kind of organizers
> should be joining definitely. After that, we can draft up the budget, the
> pro's and con's and consider whether this would be a wise investment of our
> time and money. Don't worry just yet if it is realistic to request the
> money etc - that is a separate discussion.
> My initial attitude is positive yet somewhat critical (I know it's going
> to be expensive, but I think if there is enough support, it could be worth
> it) and I very much look forward to your thoughts. Your input would be
> highly valued on this page
> <https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2015/Training> on
> Wikimedia Commons.
> Looking forward to your very valuable thoughts,
> Lodewijk
> PS: I am very happy to help organize such a training to help future
> competitions, but please don't think I will join the international team
> again :) Just want to be realistic.
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