[Wiki Loves Monuments] Thinking about the future
lodewijk at effeietsanders.org
Fri Sep 27 09:05:31 UTC 2013
Please note that I said we should have this discussion by the end of
October, not a few months before the event.
The quality of the discussion and the success of the ongoing competition is
more important to me than how convenient it is for the budget planning of
individual chapters. They can work around this by stating for example that
they want to participate in 'one international photo competition *such as*
Wiki Loves Monuments'. There seems consensus that there will be at least
one international photo competition, so that should be safe.
The major bottle neck for organizing these competitions is not staff, is
not budget (although the lack of it can impact the quality we can deliver).
The major bottle neck is volunteers that are willing to do the work -
basically what Charles described quite vividly. Budget and staff should
support those efforts.
2013/9/27 Ilario Valdelli <valdelli at gmail.com>
> Let's explain why it may be important not to have a clear picture but at
> least to define the strategy for 2014... some countries are defining the
> budget for 2014, mainly for FDC, and they have to define the project plan
> for next year.
> If WLM is not done, I suppose that there would be a general displeasure
> connected with the request of budget or project plan for 2014.
> The same also about reconfirmation of project managers and the working
> As member of GAC I would say that WLM is becoming an important and crucial
> event for a lot of chapters and they plan it the year before. Around this
> event there is a big planning and a decision or a "may be" can have a lot
> of consequences.
> I think that it's time to consider this point and to forget to manage an
> event like WLM with the same parameters of an event driven by the community
> and by the volunteers. Behind it there now organizations, staffs and
> budgets and the requests of WMF to manage them are not so flexible as the
> flexibility used to take the decision within WLM.
> There is no need to have a clear picture but it may be the best to define
> a general trend. If this decision will come later in the 2014, some months
> before the start of the event, it may have a big impact in the planning of
> chapters and may generate a lot of work.
> On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 10:27 AM, Lodewijk <lodewijk at effeietsanders.org>wrote:
>> Again, I suggest we have this discussion in October :) We still have a
>> lot of work to be done, and that makes it harder to be honest while keeping
>> up motivation too.
>> I'm not sure if a 'formal' evaluation process would be helpful here -
>> most of the measures won't be available. There will be an evaluation of WLM
>> internationally, but considering the timepath I don't want to wait for
>> that. This decision does not primarily depend on past decisions, how well
>> it went in the past, or even on results, but on the main bottleneck of
>> these events: what do the volunteers want. The only thing I can imagine to
>> wait for is the organizers survey that we'll be running like last year
>> (this is different from the participant survey organized mostly by Beat).
>> 2013/9/27 Ilario Valdelli <valdelli at gmail.com>
>>> Honestly I would suggest a competition which will not face copyright
>>> A Wiki Loves Earth will give less problems than a Wiki Loves Arts. I
>>> don't remember that animals or plants can ask for fee or for copyrights or
>>> for privacy.
>>> Some countries like Italy, for instance, will have to do a lot of
>>> preliminary work to know if they can participate in a Wiki Loves Art.
>>> On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 10:17 AM, Àlex Hinojo <alexhinojo at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> I do agree with Lodewijk. Once the contest is finished, we need to have
>>>> some calmed discussion on what do we want 2014 to be. Some contests have
>>>> raisen up and we all have pro/cons feelings and experiences.
>>>> Some options have already been raised. We could also use some of the
>>>> program evaluation techniques in order to make a deep avaluation on the
>>>> project. Sarah, can you help on this?
>>>> Regarding the Wiki Loves Public Art, I do agree that a wider Wiki Loves
>>>> Art concept could be a great idea.
>>>> So should we stat this debate formally in some wiki page once the
>>>> contest has finished?
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