[Wiki Loves Monuments] [Wlm2013-l] drop off in submissions, banner
Richard Symonds
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Thu Sep 19 15:52:09 UTC 2013
This sounds very sensible.
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On 19 September 2013 16:34, Michael Maggs <Michael at maggs.name> wrote:
> As there seems to be little international discussion about updating the
> CentralNotice text, I'm proposing in the next day or two to change the the
> text for the UK (only) to
>
> Where have you been? Send us some photos!
>
> If anyone objects, please let me know.
>
> Michael
>
>
> On 12 Sep 2013, at 05:10, Karthik Nadar wrote:
>
> On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 1:21 AM, Romaine Wiki <romaine_wiki at yahoo.com>wrote:
>
>> Perhaps the best place for talking about the banners of the CentralNotice
>> is at:
>>
>> https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Commons_talk:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2013/CentralNotice
>
>
> Discussion kicks off there!
>
> -- Karthik.
>
>
>>
>>
>> Romaine
>>
>> --------------------------------------------
>> On Wed, 9/11/13, Lodewijk <lodewijk at effeietsanders.org> wrote:
>>
>> Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] drop off in submissions, banner
>> To: "Wiki Loves Monuments Photograph Competition" <
>> wikilovesmonuments at lists.wikimedia.org>
>> Date: Wednesday, September 11, 2013, 7:45 PM
>>
>> (oh, and ps: probably native
>> countries like the US and GB work very differently than
>> non-native English countries. Here participate would
>> definitely resonate much better, and 'snap' would
>> only be confusing. But that is probably stating the
>> obvious)
>>
>>
>>
>> 2013/9/11 Lodewijk
>> <lodewijk at effeietsanders.org>
>>
>>
>> I think there are two major factors in our
>> image count:
>> 1) new participants, people who never edited
>> before. 2) super uploaders, people with more
>> than 100 images
>>
>>
>>
>> The highest contribution to the number of images
>> is 2) by a leap. This is mostly people with a reservoir of
>> images - primarily in Spain, Poland and Germany.
>> The banner has primarily an influence on 1),
>> which is also important. I definitely wouldn't mind a
>> change in the banner, but I would suggest to let that
>> coincide with the drop of Privacy Policy (which was poorly
>> situated - the original plan was to run it in August). In
>> some other countries, there are more banners competing even
>> (like in NL, a conference banner with call for
>> speakers).
>>
>>
>>
>> Another way than the wording, is the
>> design.
>> I would suggest we continue this 'what is the
>> best banner' discussion on a talkpage somewhere, to keep
>> it consistent. Romaine, what would be a good location for
>> that?
>>
>>
>>
>> Lodewijk
>>
>> 2013/9/11 Michael
>> Maggs <Michael at maggs.name>
>>
>>
>>
>> Both
>>
>>
>>
>> "Snap a snapshot for
>> Wikipedia" and "It's a snap, Wiki Loves
>> Monuments"
>>
>>
>>
>> are the best I
>> have heard so far, and they would work in the UK as well as
>> the US. Maybe have them both running at 50%
>> ?
>>
>>
>>
>> Michael
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 11 Sep 2013, at 17:41,
>> Peter Ekman wrote:
>> I too have noticed a drop off in photos submitted
>> in the last few days. It's fairly important to
>> determine what caused the drop off if we can. It might be
>> something totally outside of our control, e.g. the situation
>> in Syria, but might be something like a change in banner
>> display, which we do have some control over. Did the drop
>> happen in most countries? We don't have full control
>> over all Wikimedia banners - we do have to share the space
>> with others, but perhaps they might be willing to delay some
>> of their displays if we ask nicely.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I do agree that changing the banner from
>> time-to-time can help. I don't agree that a banner of
>> ""Participate
>> in the world's largest photo-contest and
>> help Wikipedia,"
>> would help any. The imperative verb
>> "Participate" is very weak, and is not natural to
>> American English speakers. It suggests a high school home
>> economics teacher telling us that we have to bring cookies
>> to the annual bake-off. Something more active is
>> definitely needed, something along the line (but not
>> exactly) of a high school football coach saying "Go out
>> there and kick some butt!" That would definitely get
>> some attention as a banner, but not the exact type of
>> attention we want. A teaser ad might work however, e.g.
>> "About your photos on Wikipedia .... (smaller type)
>> upload them to Wiki Loves Monuments"
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Snap"
>> might be a verb we want to use. It gives an idea of the
>> action that we want people to take (snap a snapshot), unlike
>> "participate." So perhaps "Snap a historic
>> site, Wiki Loves Monuments" It could wake people up. Or
>> maybe "Snap a snapshot for Wikipedia". As a noun
>> "It's a snap, Wiki Loves
>> Monuments"
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I don't
>> think these ideas are good enough yet for an actual banner,
>> but I think that folks should brain-storm this and come up
>> with new ideas. Straight informative banners can sound
>> bureaucratic or just boring. Different languages or
>> dialects should be considered separately, as translations
>> are really tricky, e.g. "It's a snap" might
>> mean something entirely different in British
>> English
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> PeteUser:Smallbones
>>
>>
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