[Wiki Loves Monuments] Calendars

Lodewijk lodewijk at effeietsanders.org
Mon Sep 24 09:59:42 UTC 2012

Hi all,

responding to several points at once:

* For the license stuff: I suggest to just take the graphical CC BY-SA logo
that Creative Commons provides, and show that at the front page in a

* Let me just say 'no' to translating everything into all languages. That
is simply a journey I refuse to go onto. It would require a huge investment
of time from both translators and the coordinators. Lets do the thing that
worked well last year: short description in both the local language of the
monument and in English. (with exceptions for complicated regions adding
another language). Perfection is the enemy of progress: we're on a very
tight time schedule once we get to the jury results. We don't have any
resources to hunt after people, and any compromise is going to have
disadvantages too. If/when we do an online exhibition we could/should do
this though.

* For those that really really like, we have a few 2012 calendars left in
the WMNL office. I'm sure if you give a proper donation, you can get a few
;-) (contact Sandra Rientjes for that). For 2013 I think Barbara will come
later with a more detailed update on what is possible and what isn't. This
was still under discussion - the publisher did consider providing calendars
for public sale. I'm not sure if the WMF is going to order calendars - but
I suggest you contact them directly if you want to make that happen.

* Providing URL's to the original file is not required. What I can imagine
is that the file description in the last page contains the file names - but
then that is also barely usable (how well are you able to copy the hebrew
characters?). If you want to reuse the images, just go to the
Wikilovesmonuments website or Wikimedia Commons - both will contain a full
overview of all winning pictures. Lets not make things more complicated
than necessary. It is not a legal requirement, and lets not fool ourselves:
anyone with a little bit of google experience can type 'wiki loves
monuments winners' into google and will find them.

* On QR codes: I know some people really fancy them... personally I think
that they wouldn't really look well in the existing designs at least on the
photo pages. Again: lets not make the process more complicated (these codes
need to be created, pages can't be moved, weird characters etc. - all
potential errors and problems giving me a headache). People can find the
page with the winning pictures quite easily. If we add everything we *can*
add, it will be overkill.

Anyway, thanks for the feedback. While some of it may not be implementable,
it is still appreciated.



2012/9/24 Barbara Fischer <barbara.fischer at wikimedia.de>

> Hi,
> concerning. distribution
> Cyriel from WMNL is checking with the WMF, if they will take the WLM
> calendars into their shop -programme.
> Please check with Your chapter if you would like to order a number of
> copies on top of the 15 free copies every participating country will
> receive.
> The printing house is not supposed to take individual orders, like sending
> one copy to Seattle and an other one to Cape Town. But they will love to
> ship 25 copies to Vienna and 30 to Bogotá and so forth. Just let me know,
> how You feel about it. I' collect your figures to start with out commitment.
> concerning layout:
> there will be no printed rear-sides as this would increase the printing
> cost considerably. All other suggestions will be considered as Tomasz said.
> best regards
> Barbara Fischer
> Kuratorin für Kulturpartnerschaften
> Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. | NEU: Obentrautstr. 72 | 10963 Berlin
> Tel. (030) 219 158 26-0
> http://wikimedia.de
> Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e.V.
> Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter
> der Nummer 23855 B. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für
> Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985.
> 2012/9/23 Tomasz W. Kozłowski <odder.wiki at gmail.com>
> Thanks for the comments, WereSpielCheckquers and Platonides!
>> 1. I am not sure whether we'll be including file descriptions at all
>> this year; it was the only thing besides the last page that made the
>> calendars not language-neutral. This is something we try to avoid as
>> much as possible, as we're having WLM in more countries that use
>> non-Latin alphabets than last year.
>> I'm not saying "no" to descriptions in English, but this /is/ a
>> problem, and we will not be able to translate them into the 37
>> languages used in WLM countries, especially due to technical and
>> financial reasons. If you'd prefer to have the descriptions below the
>> photos, I'll make sure to have them in a bigger font than last year
>> :-))
>> 2. The names of the authors are listed on the last page of the
>> calendars, though as Platonides rightly pointed out, we forgot to
>> include a link to the page of the deed at creativecommons.org; this is
>> something we can improve this time.
>> I am not sure whether adding a link to a winning photo would be useful
>> at all, especially with long filenames or filenames written in
>> non-Latin alphabets (or even in Latin alphabets in countries which use
>> different ones); just imagine how long would typing those from your
>> keyboard take!
>> And by the way, the forward slashes // were just part of the design,
>> with no special meaning.
>> 3. You cannot buy a copy of the 2012 calendars (I'm quite sure there
>> are no spare copies left at all), and I haven't heard about any plans
>> of selling the 2013s to the public. You'd be able to buy (or get)
>> those from a local chapter if they order more than they really need.
>> Last year, a Wikimedia Polska representative gave more than 10 copies
>> to the Wikimedia Foundation staff at the financial meeting in Paris;
>> I've heard they liked them :-) so if the Foundation would like to sell
>> the 2013s in their shop, they will be able to download the design file
>> from Commons -- we'll upload it there as soon as we have it ready,
>> just like I did with the one we used this year.
>> --
>> Tomasz W. Kozłowski
>> a.k.a. [[user:odder]]
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