[Wiki Loves Monuments] Reuploading

Tue Sep 4 19:33:34 UTC 2012

Hi Jon en Phil,

We can make up a thousand edge cases, but I rather stick to common 
sense: Is it in the spirit of Wiki Loves Monuments? If someone trying to 
toy the system it's definitely not, in this case I don't see any reason 
why this wouldn't fit the competition. Of course both images need to be 
own work, freely licensed and uploaded in September ;-)

Maarten

Op 4-9-2012 21:13, Philip Chang schreef:
> To add to Jon's comment, we are considering a simple UI change to make 
> it obvious that users can upload from mobile and then replace the 
> images later on the desktop.
>
> This assumes that replacing files is allowed, based on the copyright 
> considerations discussed earlier in this thread.
>
> If there is any preference for this feature, please let us know.
>
> Phil
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 12:01 PM, Jon Robson <jdlrobson at gmail.com 
> <mailto:jdlrobson at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     It's worth pointing out that one potential way of using the WLM mobile
>     app [1] is that a user could upload a placeholder photo with their
>     camera of a monument to keep track of monuments visited and then
>     replace it with a high quality camera image when they return home to
>     their desktop computer.
>
>     The benefit here being they can remember which monuments their photos
>     relate to and the app will take care of the template for them.
>
>     Would these users be eligible for the competition?
>
>     [1] https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.wikipedia.wlm
>     .
>     On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 1:26 PM, Platonides <platonides at gmail.com
>     <mailto:platonides at gmail.com>> wrote:
>     > On 03/09/12 16:45, Paul Selitskas wrote:
>     >> One of Belarusian contestants addressed me a mail with a
>     question: may
>     >> they reupload the same photo with a better quality and what
>     >> consequences will it have concerning WLM.
>     >>
>     >> So, may the participant replace the file uploaded for WLM with the
>     >> same file of better quality? Will the new file be treated the
>     same as
>     >> if it was uploaded at the first place?
>     >>
>     >> Besides this, I have a question of my own. Let's say, someone
>     >> submitted a photo for the contest. Then a random Wikimedian
>     uses it in
>     >> an article. Then he wants to fix it (colors, perspective, whatever)
>     >> and actually he does it by replacing the original file with a new
>     >> fixed version of it. What next? Should the jury examine the
>     original
>     >> version, or the fixed one? If the photo wins, who takes the
>     prize? And
>     >> so on.
>     >
>     > This was also raised last year. It was mentioned that freeing a
>     bigger
>     > version of an existing file should not qualify. Your may decide
>     to do
>     > otherwise, of course, but I think it is bet not to, as it would also
>     > make harder to create the lists of participating monuments if
>     countries
>     > had different rules on what is a new upload.
>     >
>     > If the uploader sends a better version of another picture
>     uploaded in
>     > WLM, I consider this a valid submission by the author. Quite likely,
>     > also, consider for instance someone that uploads the image with a
>     > watermark, then he gets notified that there should be no
>     watermarks and
>     > he reuploads the unwatermarked file.
>     >
>     > Another sample, Indafotó (used last year for most of WLM-HU)
>     lowscales
>     > the images to 1600 pixels. Samat contacted the users, which sent
>     him the
>     > originals and he reuploaded them. IMHO the submission of the bigger
>     > image is perfectly valid.
>     >
>     > When someone else fixes the image, that's a different matter. I
>     wouldn't
>     > plainly disqualify them if someone eg. fixes the watermark from an
>     > image, just like we may add the monument id of some submissions
>     (which
>     > would otherwise be uneligible). However, if such image was in
>     the last
>     > round, I would do note it to the jury, which should probably take it
>     > into account negatively (but even then the photo might still
>     > astounishing and win anyway).
>     >
>     > Regards
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >
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