[Wiki Loves Monuments] Long term

Sun Nov 4 20:28:33 UTC 2012

2012/11/4 Samuel Klein <meta.sj at gmail.com>

> Yeah!  But don't discard oceans: take photos down from a height of 100m...

Hahaha nice point. Award to the best underwater photography. ; )

>  A good WLE project would also have denser and less dense photo regions;
> to include things like "street view" of areas proportional to how much
> traffic they get.

Sure. I think that making a grid over an OSM map with geolocated Commons
images (imitating that geograph.org.uk project) is almost trivial for a
geotool developer (not my case). Perhaps someone in the Toolserver wants.

>
> On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 6:48 AM, emijrp <emijrp at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> When we finish Wiki Loves Monuments, we can do Wiki Loves Earth,
>> imitating this project http://www.geograph.org.uk but worldwide.
>>
>> One image per km2 in the world (discarding oceans). Coverage is biased
>> for now
>> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Geolocated_images_in_Wikimedia_Commons_2012-01-21.png
>>
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>> 2012/11/4 Lodewijk <lodewijk at effeietsanders.org>
>>
>>> (changing the title to give it its own thread)
>>>
>>> I think this discussion would indeed be best on the feedback page. But I
>>> will respond to some of the points already here.
>>>
>>> First off: I personally do not think this will be an ever lasting event.
>>> I think that a country can only organize Wiki Loves Monuments 3 or 4 times
>>> in a row without exhausting enthusiasm about it. I actually have the
>>> feeling next year (2013) might very well be the last year that we organize
>>> it on an international level. But I hope someone will proof me wrong!
>>>
>>> I agree with Yaroslav that a real life organization would be a
>>> possibility. We don't need that though. Actually, I think it would be a
>>> worse situation than what we're in right now. It would cause a lot of
>>> bureaucracy (conflict of interest: I would be one of the people who would
>>> have to review the bylaws in the Affiliations committee).
>>>
>>> An ongoing project on Commons to coordinate heritage projects would
>>> perhaps be a good idea. Commons isn't exactly suitable for it as it also
>>> involves a lot of other things - but it is probably better than the
>>> alternatives. Outreachwiki would drive us too far from the content side of
>>> things etc. I don't think it would be a priority of myself, but I can
>>> definitely see the added value. I do not think it could or should replace
>>> current efforts, but it should be complementary.
>>>
>>> Some people suggested over time that Wiki Loves Monuments is a GLAM
>>> project. Everyone who knows me, knows that I'm no fan of acronyms and
>>> especially not this one. If you would use the alternative 'cultural
>>> heritage institutions' (or if you prefer acronyms: CHI) it indeed fits the
>>> definition well. However, at the same time it is quite different from all
>>> the other initiatives that are ongoing in this field by Wikimedia.
>>>
>>> Wiki Loves Monuments is mostly public facing and not institution-facing.
>>> We're focused on participation by individuals, and while the institutions
>>> that provide the infrastructure (the lists) are critical - they are
>>> primarily a tool to reach that goal. That is why I usually consider it more
>>> a seperate thing from traditional cultural heritage initiatives in
>>> Wikimedia - but it has many interfaces. Every national Wiki Loves Monuments
>>> competition has probably one or several Cultural Heritage collaborations.
>>> In the Netherlands we collaborate with the Museum association (prize
>>> sponsor), National heritage board (providing the lists), a
>>> monument/heritage association (networking partner, outreach and prize
>>> sponsor), the Architecture museum (prize sponsor), Open Monument Days
>>> (networking partner and outreach) etc. In other countries you will likely
>>> see similar collaborations especially in the second/third year develop.
>>>
>>> Anyway - I definitely cheer upon Poli's great idea to have a cleanup
>>> project. I have been doing a bunch of that myself recently on some
>>> countries (India, Canada, Argentina) and I think it could use some help. I
>>> think Maarten sent recently an email about it (now WLM is over, what's
>>> next).
>>>
>>> Yaroslav, Polimerek: would you like to volunteer to set up such portal
>>> on Commons?
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Lodewijk
>>>
>>> 2012/11/4 Jane Darnell <jane023 at gmail.com>
>>>
>>>> Well I wouldn't mind changing it to GLAMM - the extra M for monuments...
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>
>>>> On Nov 4, 2012, at 10:34 AM, Tomasz Ganicz <polimerek at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > 2012/11/4 Yaroslav M. Blanter <putevod at mccme.ru>:
>>>> >
>>>> >> Another option, which I personally find more attractive, is to
>>>> create a
>>>> >> permanently functioning meta-project, smth like Project Cultural
>>>> Heritage
>>>> >> (scope to be discussed). It could be based on Commons or on Meta (to
>>>> be
>>>> >> discussed, both options have advantages and disadvantages). This
>>>> must be a
>>>> >> meta-project, because it coordinates efforts of many different
>>>> projects:
>>>> >> Different language Wikipedias, Commons (with which the interaction
>>>> was
>>>> >> sometimes not ideal), and potentially different languages in
>>>> Wikivoyage, may
>>>> >> be even Wikidata. Many components of this meta-project already exist
>>>> on
>>>> >> Commons and are supported by Maarten and other enthusiasts.
>>>> >>
>>>> >
>>>> > Well actually it would be a kind of repetition of GLAM / Outreach
>>>> > portal /wiki . I would rather suggest to better integrate WLM with
>>>> > GLAM inititative of which WLM is just one of many other projects.
>>>> > Quite successful - but not the only one.
>>>> >
>>>> > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Partnerships
>>>> >
>>>> > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/GLAM
>>>> >
>>>> > Many of these projects are about the same as WLM is - i.e. they upload
>>>> > many photographs and then, there is no-one to effectively use them in
>>>> > Wikipedias. Actually there is plenty of photographic/database content
>>>> > around which is not very effectively "consumed" by Wikipedia and other
>>>> > Wikimedia projects. The bottleneck is manpower of wiki-editors, not
>>>> > the number of free pictures or public domain governmental data.
>>>> >
>>>> > So, maybe it would be interesting to have a project "Commons heritage
>>>> > cleanup project" which might just screen how Common's content is
>>>> > organized in Commons and how effectively it is used in other Wikimedia
>>>> > projects.
>>>> >
>>>> > --
>>>> > Tomek "Polimerek" Ganicz
>>>> > http://pl.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Polimerek
>>>> > http://www.ganicz.pl/poli/
>>>> > http://www.cbmm.lodz.pl/work.php?id=29&title=tomasz-ganicz
>>>> >
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