[Wiki Loves Monuments] FoP and monuments

Maarten Dammers maarten at mdammers.nl
Thu Jul 19 20:16:49 UTC 2012

Hi Matthew,

Op 19-7-2012 16:06, Matthew Roth schreef:
> Hi all,
> In Washington DC after Wikimania, I went on a monument photo walk and 
> was very happy with some of the photos I took of the Vietnam Veterans 
> Memorial <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_Veterans_Memorial> 
> wall. Then I started looking at the FoP rules in the U.S. and realized 
> I don't think I can upload most of those photos to Commons, given the 
> wall is likely considered a statue and is therefore under copyright. 
> Several questions:
> 1. Is this accurate? Should I consider the photos as inadmissible?
If it's copyrighted, it's not allowed at Commons and it will be deleted.
> 2. Does anyone have experience in other countries with monuments that 
> are on the list but are still under copyright? Will we need to be 
> clear that some of the sites on the Register in the U.S. are not 
> eligible for the contest?
I guess this is a very small percentage.
> 3. How does the primary photo 
> <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:TouchWall.jpg> on the EnWP 
> article qualify to be hosted on Commons? Is there a percentage of a 
> photo that can still contain a copyrighted monument and be acceptable 
> for upload to Commons? Or is it a resolution issue? It seems there are 
> various photos of the wall that are on Commons that similarly display 
> the wall without copyright notices or templates, like this one 
> <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Vietnam_Veterans_with_Washington_Monument.jpg>.
We have https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Freedom_of_panorama 
and https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:De_minimis . For exact 
details in the USA you might want to drop by at 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Public_Art . They 
have a lot of experience with the complicated copyright situation of 
public art in the US.

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