[Wiki Loves Monuments] [Wikimedia-l] Wiki Loves Public Art (WLPA) needs your help

Wed Jul 4 12:51:55 UTC 2012

Hi John,

We (Maarten and me) just did an estimate for internationally, and we think
we'd end up at ~50% of the organizing volunteers to be students in college,
high school or university.

Personally I dont think you resolve that by extending - they would still
have to take the time off from studying.

Also, like I said, I would personally prefer to organize another contest in
June (be it writing or photographing) probably in a different subset of
countries. However, for communication purposes etc would it be better to
have them at least a month apart.

Finally, I think that for communication purposes it is preferrable that you
run the contest a whole month, and not differently. It is much easier to
communicate 'in April' than 'From 15 April till 15 May'.

Lodewijk

2012/7/4 John Andersson <johnandersson86 at hotmail.com>

>  Well, we are of course open to continue with the contest in May as
> originally planned (you are of course right about the communication part).
> But if the experience when organizing WLM is that students are doing a
> large part of the work, then we could adjust it according to any of the
> three suggestions that I outlined below. We still haven't set anything in
> stone. How large part of the ones that have been active in organizing WLM
> are students? Does anyone have an idea?
>
> Cheers,
>
> John
>
> ------------------------------
> From: basvb_wikipedia at live.nl
> To: wikilovesmonuments at lists.wikimedia.org
> Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2012 13:42:22 +0200
>
> Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] [Wikimedia-l] Wiki Loves Public Art
> (WLPA) needs your help
>
>  Are exams in May that big of a problem? For a lot of people June (the
> month before vacations) is the month to finish a lot of work. Lodewijk
> mentioned the organisers having exams in May, but shouldn't most organizing
> happen before the contest? I think full months is the easiest for
> communicating.
>
> Greetings,
>
> Bas
>
> ------------------------------
> From: johnandersson86 at hotmail.com
> To: wikilovesmonuments at lists.wikimedia.org;
> wikimedia-l at lists.wikimedia.org
> Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2012 13:36:05 +0200
> CC: glam at lists.wikimedia.org
> Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] [Wikimedia-l] Wiki Loves Public Art
> (WLPA) needs your help
>
>  Hi Lodewijk,
>
> I like your ideas, especially the one about Wiki Loves Food which I think
> could be a really good mini-contest. However, this year I hope that you
> will share your expertise with WLPA! :-)
>
> You have a really good point about the exams in May and I have been
> thinking hard about your suggestions.
>
> At least in Sweden June would not work very well as a lot of people take
> their Summer vacation already by then and all the GLAMs that we might
> cooperate with would most likely be running at half speed that month (at
> least for the second half of June). Also I believe that we should not put
> WLPA too close to WLM as some of the organizers might work with both.
>
> The problem with March is that it is too early for us to be able to
> organize everything in time and also in the Nordic countries March is not a
> very suitable month for outdoor photographing because of the bad weather.
>
> That leaves April, but when looking at how Europe's weather was this year
> during Spring I am hesitant to put it entirely in April as well, also we
> would loose an entire month of time to organize it by moving it there.
>
> To give us a bit more time to get everything in place, avoid the worst
> weather and make it possible for students to participate I therefor have
> three suggestion:
> 1. We could start the contest on the 15th of April and end it on the 15th
> of May; or
> 2. Extend the contest backward and have it from the 15th of April until
> the end of May, i.e. having it for 1.5 months instead of 1 month; or
> 3. Extend the contest forward from the 1st of May to the 15th of June,
> i.e. having it for 1.5 months instead of 1 month.
>
> What do you all think about these suggestions? Which one would you think
> makes most sense?
>
> All the best,
>
> John
>
> - - - -
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> ------------------------------
> From: lodewijk at effeietsanders.org
> Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2012 17:25:49 +0200
> To: wikimedia-l at lists.wikimedia.org
> CC: glam at lists.wikimedia.org; wikilovesmonuments at lists.wikimedia.org
> Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] [Wikimedia-l] Wiki Loves Public Art
> (WLPA) needs your help
>
> Hi,
>
> interesting announcement :) I myself have been thinking of organizing a
> new 'Wiki Loves' in June 2013 (I don't think May is a good month due to the
> exams everywhere - and students will make up a significant part of the
> organizers), probably first in the Netherlands. I am still doubting between
> some 20 different ideas which were shared by several people; ranging from a
> relaunch of the good old 'Wiki Loves Art' (it would be preferable if WLPA
> could get a name that is not as easily confused with WLA) all the way to a
> Wiki Loves Food (photograph food items, dishes etc in your country/region)
> or Wiki Loves Concepts (photograph concepts like 'love', 'community',
> 'neighborhood', 'philosophy' etc as explanatory and useful as possible).
> Wiki Loves Public Art is amongst those ideas too (as are non-photo
> contests), although I should admit personally it is not my favorite :)
>
> So... would it perhaps make sense to do WLPA one or even two months
> earlier? (March/April) That way it would leave three months per year to do
> a contest (but imho running two in a country is already quite a challange!
>
> Best,
> Lodewijk
>
> 2012/7/2 Lori Phillips <lori.byrd.phillips at gmail.com>
>
> Thanks John,
>
> It's exciting to see this getting off the ground. I want to remind that
> WikiProject Public Art was established two years ago as a model for
> photographing, researching, and creating articles about Public Artworks. It
> was established under the leadership of Richard McCoy, conservator of
> objects at the Indianapolis Museum of Art, and Jennifer Mikulay, a public
> arts scholar and professor, both of which are Wikipedians in their own
> right.  While the Wikipedia Loves Public Art project may be photo-based,
> the resources developed within WikiProject Public Art could prove useful -
> and I hope that the wikiproject can plan a role.
>
> I admit that the image guide and some of the process can be US-centric, if
> only to keep us sane in developing this model to start. But it can be a
> good jumping off point.
>
> With Jane's suggestion of article-creation, I wanted to specifically point
> out that WikiProject:Public Art has as its core goal the creation of
> articles about Public Art, rather than image gathering. So if you're
> interested in that being a component of Wikipedia Loves Public Art, there
> are step by step guides that could be useful resources.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Public_art
>
> This would also be useful to share on the public GLAM list as well! cc'ing
> now : ).
>
> Let me know if you have any questions,
> Lori
>
> On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 8:23 AM, John Andersson
> <johnandersson86 at hotmail.com>wrote:
>
> >
> > Hi Jane,
> >
> > I am happy that you think that it sounds interesting!
> >
> > The idea is to have similar rules and structure as WLM, e.g. that the
> > artworks should have a unique ID to be part of the contest. I think that
> we
> > should not limit ourselves more right now until we know
> > what type of data we can get our hands on in the different countries.
> >  I personally feel rather hesitant to create a specific definition for
> > the contest that would differ from the official ones, that feel a lot
> > like original research to me and also it could make it harder to use
> >  the data later on, as we then might have to sort out certain categories
> > of artworks. That however mean that what exactly are considered public
> art
> > then most likely will differ a bit between different countries, and
> perhaps
> > between different regions. To get in contact with relevant parties that
> > have the needed data is therefor a first step and if you are interested
> in
> > contacting people/institutions in your country that would be very
> helpful!
> >
> > Also, I think that events focusing on connecting the pictures to
> Wikipedia
> > would be fantastic and perhaps one could organize them to take place
> either
> > at the same time or during the summer. If you have any cool ideas that
> you
> > would like to work on please let me know!
> >
> > All the best,
> >
> > John
> > - - - -
> > John Andersson
> > Wikimedia Sweden (WMSE)
> > Event Manager, Europeana Awareness
> >
> > Phone: +46(0)73-3965189
> >
> >
> >
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> >
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> >
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> > Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2012 13:01:26 +0200
> > From: jane023 at gmail.com
> > To: wikilovesmonuments at lists.wikimedia.org
> > CC: wikimedia-l at lists.wikimedia.org
> > Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Public Art (WLPA) needs
> > your     help
> >
> > JohnGreat initiative! Thanks for the tip, and good point about May vs.
> > September regarding WLM, but these can easily be linked together, meaning
> > Wiki(p/m)edians can take pictures of statues and other public art whilst
> > working from a list of monument numbers...
> >
> > To be clear, are you going to keep your Public art idea like WLM's, in
> the
> > sense that "only photos with a unique id taken during the competition
> month
> > will be eligible for a prize"?  WLM is basically just a Wikimedia Commons
> > project, and the fruits of that project can be used by Wikipedia, but
> there
> > is no Wikipedia part of the competition as it is today.
> >
> > Right off the top of my head I can think of lots of other ways to track
> > public art, such as historical artworks commissioned by a governing body
> > that once were on Square X and were replaced by artwork Y for reason Z,
> > etc. This kind of tracking would require various references and would
> need
> > to be integrated somehow with Wikipedia, I think, as pictures alone don't
> > tell the whole story, the way pictures of physical monuments taken for
> WLM
> > do.
> >
> > In other words, what is your precise, identifiable and verifiable
> > definition of "public art", rather than "sculptures, mosaics, mural
> > paintings, memorials and place specific installments in the public
> space"?
> > Jane
> >
> > 2012/7/2 John Andersson <johnandersson86 at hotmail.com>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Hallo everybody,
> >
> >
> >
> > We have just started working with the Wiki Loves Public Art (WLPA)[1]
> > contest that will focus on getting pictures on sculptures, mosaics,
> > mural paintings, memorials and place
> > specific installments in the public space. If
> > you are interested in public art, enjoy organizing events, think that it
> >  is cool and interesting to work with projects that increase cooperation
> >  between the Chapters, or would like to work towards GLAM in your
> > country, well then this would be something for you! We are looking for
> > all kinds of volunteers and especially for national coordinators that
> > can help us get things going in the countries and coordinate the
> > volunteer efforts!
> >
> >
> > As
> > we don't want to intrude upon the fantastic Wiki Loves Monument contest
> we
> > are thinking about holding WLPA during the
> > month of May in 2013. However, May will hopefully give us enough time to
> > work on this and provide good enough weather
> > so that the pictures look nice and people think that it is fun to go out
> >  and find the art works.
> >
> >
> > We are of course aware of the tricky copyright legislations in
> > different countries but thanks to the fact that this is organized
> > together with Europeana (www.europeana.eu) we have the
> > possibility to use Europeana's team of judicial experts in finding out
> > answers on some of the questions. So if you have a question that is not
> > answered on Commons:Freedom of Panorama[2] please write up your
> > questions on relevant judicial matters on our list and we will forward
> > it to Europeana.[3]
> >
> >
> > Both me and the project leader, Lennart Guldbrandsson, will be at
> > Wikimania and we would love to met and talk to you about this in person!
> >
> >
> > I hope to hear from you soon!
> >
> > All the best,
> >
> > John
> >
> > - - - -
> > John Andersson
> > Wikimedia Sweden (WMSE)
> > Event Manager, Europeana Awareness
> >
> > Phone: +46(0)73-3965189
> >
> >
> >
> > Email: JohnAndersson86 at hotmail.com
> >
> > Skype: johnandersson86
> >
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> > Visit
> http://se.wikimedia.org/wiki/Projekt:Europeana_Awareness/Englishfor more
> information about our project!
> >
> >
> > [1]
> >
> http://se.wikimedia.org/wiki/Projekt:Europeana_Awareness/Wiki_Loves_Public_Art
> >
> > [2] http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Freedom_of_panorama
> >
> > [3]
> >
> http://se.wikimedia.org/wiki/Projekt:Europeana_Awareness/Wiki_Loves_Public_Art/Legal_unclarities
> >
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