[Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments was crap, it's high time to admit it!

[Lodewijk]

We're going a bit too fast here :)

Yes, there are things to be improved when it comes to the jury process - I
agree on that with Tomasz. However, I don't agree on the specifics. But
Most importantly: this is not the time yet to discuss that. If we start
hammering out these details now, we get in trouble later - lets do things
in the right order, and get the participating countries on board first.
Thén we can have a decent discussion about jury etc. Last year we had this
discussion at our May meeting in Berlin, and I thought that timing was
excellent. So lets wait until then with discussing that in detail - and
just conclude for now there are things to be improved. It is unfair to the
countries that will want to participate, but are not ready to do so *yet*
(because they follow a time line ending in September 2012), if we start
making decisions like this already.

Lodewijk

No dia 12 de Dezembro de 2011 22:02, Mike Dupont <
jamesmikedupont at googlemail.com> escreveu:

> Well this is why we should have prize money.
> I would be willing to even donate a small amount for prizes for kosovo
> if it was tax deductable (in germany where I live).
> mike
> On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 9:58 PM, Strainu <strainu10 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > 2011/12/12 Jan Ainali <jan.ainali at wikimedia.se>:
> >> 2011/12/12 Maarten Dammers <maarten at mdammers.nl>
> >>>
> >>> > 2011/12/12 Yaroslav M. Blanter<putevod at mccme.ru>:
> >>> >> I think this is a good direction, but I can not support the
> proposal in
> >>> >> this form. What if we have just one crappy image? What if we have
> the
> >>> >> image
> >>> >> of the exterior, would we need the image of the interior? What if we
> >>> >> have
> >>> >> several monuments under one code?
> >>>
> >>> Let's put it a bit stronger. I would never support such a proposal. I
> >>> support positive steering ("we encourage you to upload photo's of
> >>> monuments that not yet have a (good) picture"), not negative steering
> >>> ("WLM2011 we limit the eligible monuments to those without an image").
> >
> > Then you're bound to encounter the same kind of criticism as this year.
> >
> >> Yes, I agree that positive steering is better. We could have one of the
> >> judging criteria to be uniqueness or value adding, and explain that when
> >> images are similar in other criterias, the ones that bring in new
> aspects to
> >> Commons will be regarded higher.
> >
> > What you want (and what people are saying on these pages) is a Commons
> > contest, not a photo contest. That is, with a Wiki(p|m)edia jury and
> > all. You can't reasonably expect to have professional photographers in
> > the jury and ask them to rate based on the utility for a certain site.
> >
> > This would be a big step backwards from this year's contest in my
> > opinion and a huge failed opportunity for a lot of content to be
> > freed. I'm fairly sure many photographers will be reluctant to
> > participate with hi res images.
> >
> > Strainu
> >
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