[Translators-l] Translators-l Digest, Vol 141, Issue 20

Mon Apr 17 16:17:44 UTC 2017

Hi Maha,
Could please clarify if your question is regarding translation as a career
or translating Wikipedia articles?

On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 09:11, Maha Badr <mahabadr at hotmail.com> wrote:

> Dear All;
>
>
> I need to start translate from Arabic to English and English to Arabic .
> please can any one guide me .
>
>
> Thanks & Best Regards
>
> Maha Badr
>
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>    1. Re: Automated translation not working? (Philippe Verdy)
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> Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2017 13:17:37 +0200
> From: Philippe Verdy <verdy_p at wanadoo.fr>
> To: Bjoern Hassler <bjohas+mw at gmail.com>
> Cc: Wikimedia Translators <translators-l at lists.wikimedia.org>
> Subject: Re: [Translators-l] Automated translation not working?
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> You did not specify which source page are you trying to translate, and on
> which wiki.... Then we can look at the target of your translation attempt.
>
> Your provided this link:
> https://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Spezial:Inhalts%
> C3%BCbersetzung&page=Biniai+Nou+hypogea&from=en&to=de&
> targettitle=Biniai+Nou+hypogea
>
> But the German Wikipedia does not have any page named "Biniai Nou hypogea".
> You are probably trying to find this page on the wrong wiki ! Translations
> are made wiki by wiki, but are enabled essentially on multilingual wikis
> (such as Commons, or Meta), not on Wikipedia (translations of pages between
> separate editions of Wikipedia cannot use the same tools)
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> 2017-04-17 9:26 GMT+02:00 Bjoern Hassler <bjohas+mw at gmail.com>:
>
> > Hi Philippe,
> >
> > many thanks.
> >
> > Do you mean e.g. on https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spezial:Inhalts%C3%
> > BCbersetzung ? I don't see a yellow box? There is "Von einer beliebigen
> > Sprache / In eine beliebige Sprache", but that lists English/German in
> both.
> >
> > In any case - are you basically saying that English <-> German could be
> > enabled?
> >
> > Many thanks!
> > Bjoern
> >
> >
> >
> > On 16 April 2017 at 21:38, Philippe Verdy <verdy_p at wanadoo.fr> wrote:
> >
> >> This is displayed in the top header (yellow box) which lsits the
> >> "proiritized" languages. Anyway there's another setting (not displayed)
> >> that disallow other translations (this was discussed recently when
> someone
> >> created a page to translate ONLY in minority languages, exclusing all
> other
> >> major languages than the source English).
> >>
> >> Experience shows that (espacially for minory languages that very few
> >> translators available, many of them not being very fluent in English) we
> >> need to always enable other languages thant English to help disambiguate
> >> the English source so that translators for minority languages can see
> >> translations proposed in other major languages and that are better
> >> reviewed, in order to provide better translations not just based on the
> >> English source but also on what they can better read and understand in
> >> another language.
> >>
> >> I must confess that I see no reason to exclude any language (except old
> >> compatibility languages whose use is no longer recommanded, and which
> may
> >> be configured globally, only if there's other choices of language codes:
> >> those compatibility codes will finally be redirected to new ones or
> locked
> >> down).
> >>
> >> And for the ~15 major languages of the world (that are used as lingua
> >> francas for regional or national interchanges) they should never be
> >> disabled (notably because they are already used as fallback languages
> for
> >> missing translations in minority languages). For a list of fallback
> >> languages (that should never be disabled), see for example what is
> >> implemented in Commons and MetaWiki; this is more than just English
> which
> >> is only the last-chance fallback ! The list of fallbacks was first
> >> implemtend as templates ,then as modules, and now as part of global wiki
> >> configuration (and part now of MediaWiki itself with its API).
> >>
> >>
> >> 2017-04-16 13:15 GMT+02:00 Bjoern Hassler <bjohas+mw at gmail.com>:
> >>
> >>> Thanks! How do I find out which language pairs are enabled?
> >>>
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