[Translators-l] Fwd: [Wikitech-ambassadors] Template sandbox - new feature to help you improve & make templates

Philippe Verdy verdy_p at wanadoo.fr
Fri Nov 30 10:43:37 UTC 2012

Well, I just notice now this integration, but I regret that the test
subform is BELOW the Publish/View modifications/Preview buttons. It should
be ABOVE them (and may be even before the Edit comment field, which is for
the Publish button) to make sure that people see it.

And I don't know how to prefill the name of the test page directly from the
edit link. As well, this test subform field remains empty : it should be
prefilled by default with the name of the edited page (to simplify the
action of appending the name of a "/test" subpage) : if I manually enter
"x" in this empty field and press the "Preview test page" button, that "x"
does not appear as a GET parameter in the URL displayed in the navigator
address bar: this "x" should appear here, along with the name of the edit
link parameter that allows prefilling the preview test page.

2012/11/30 Philippe Verdy <verdy_p at wanadoo.fr>

> Will it be available immediately when editing ANY template, just by giving
> the name of a page using the template, and without having to go to a
> special page ?
> The idea would be that we could have just before the edit comment field a
> field that contains the name of a page to see, and that the "Preview"
> button will preview that page instead of just the template page itself.
> Then an edit link somewhere on a page could prefill that field with a test
> page name (with an edit parameter). Notably, in the Template space, it
> could be prefilled with the name of a "/test" subpage where it exists,
> otherwise it will continue to preview the main template page transcluding
> the /doc subpage containing the examples of usages (but generally these
> examples do not contain an extensive list of rendering tests for complex
> tests.
> E.g. of a normal edit link adding the test page in parameter:
> http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Example&action=edit&testpage=Template:Example/test
> And to format the edit link using Wiki syntax :
> [{{FULLURL:Template:Example|action=edit|testpage=Template:Example/test
> edit]
> In other words, no need to visit a special page, but a full integration in
> the standard page edit form (independantly of whever the edited page is in
> the Template namespace or not), using the specified (or manually entered)
> test page directly with the Preview button.
> When editing an article in the main namespace, or a talk page, with the
> top "Edit" tab, no testpage would be prefilled but the testpage field would
> be there at the bottom of the edit form, where one could still manually
> enter the name of a test page (its default value would be the edited page
> itself, to make easy to append the name of a subpage).
> When this form field is erased or contains the name of an inexistant page,
> its value would be replaced by the name of the currently edited page and
> the Preview page would refill that field and the preview page would also
> indicate the name of the test page it uses for rendering the preview (it
> should also say to the user with a warning that the name of the test page
> does not exist, before displaying the rest of the rendered testpage).
> As well, when using the edit links above, if they don't specify the name
> of the testpage, or if they specify an inexistant page, the same warning
> would be displayed before the edit form, and the form would still be
> prefilled automatically with the name of the edited page as the default
> name of the test page.
> So there's no need for a special page. The name of a test page would be
> present in all edit forms from any page in any namespace.
> 2012/11/30 Paul Selitskas <p.selitskas at gmail.com>
>> TemplateSandbox will go live soon!
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Sumana Harihareswara <sumanah at wikimedia.org>
>> Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 1:51 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Wikitech-ambassadors] Template sandbox - new feature to
>> help you improve & make templates
>> To: Coordination of technology deployments across languages/projects <
>> wikitech-ambassadors at lists.wikimedia.org>
>> Update: I see that TemplateSandbox is now LIVE on Meta, Commons, and
>> the other non-Wikipedia WMF wikis!  It'll be going live to English
>> Wikipedia on Monday 3 December and all other Wikipedias on Wednesday 5
>> December.  Sorry for wrongly saying that it wasn't going live on most
>> WMF sites yet.
>> It'd be great if you could help by translating TemplateSandbox on
>> translatewiki
>> https://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=Special%3ATranslate&taction=translate&group=ext-templatesandbox&language=ru&limit=100&task=untranslated
>> and by spreading the word about this new feature to template editors
>> in your community.  Thanks!
>> Sumana Harihareswara
>> Engineering Community Manager
>> Wikimedia Foundation
>> On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 8:34 PM, Sumana Harihareswara
>> <sumanah at wikimedia.org> wrote:
>> > "TemplateSandbox" lets you preview a page with a change in a template it
>> > uses.
>> >
>> > At the bottom of the edit form in the Template and Module namespaces, a
>> > new box will appear that allows you to preview other pages as they would
>> > appear if you saved the template/module you are currently editing.
>> > Example: try editing the sample "thank-you" template
>> > https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Template:Thankyou .  On the edit form,
>> > under the Save button, you'll see "Preview page with this template" --
>> > try User_talk:Example_user .
>> >
>> > Or, go to
>> >
>> > https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:TemplateSandbox
>> >
>> > and give it the "sandbox prefix" User:Sharihareswara (WMF)/sandbox and
>> > tell it to "render page" User_talk:Example_user .  You'll see the ugly
>> > changes I made to the template in my sandbox.
>> >
>> > More information at
>> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:VPT#New_feature_needs_testing .
>> >  You can check this out in the new version of MediaWiki, now live on
>> > mediawiki.org, but until we have more feedback and improvements we
>> > aren't pushing it live on the other sites.
>> >
>> > We figure this will make it easier for people to hack on templates, and
>> > to develop new Lua templates to replace wikitext templates.
>> >
>> > --
>> > Sumana Harihareswara
>> > Engineering Community Manager
>> > Wikimedia Foundation
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>> З павагай,
>> Павел Селіцкас/Pavel Selitskas
>> Wizardist @ Wikimedia projects
>> p.selitskas at gmail.com, +375257408304
>> Skype: p.selitskas
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