[Mediawiki-i18n] [Wikimedia-l] ContentTranslation gets to 2000

Jane Darnell jane023 at gmail.com
Sat Jun 6 17:28:10 UTC 2015


Thanks for your thoughtful answerrs, which are certainly enlightening. I
tried it again today, this time to translate an article from English to
Dutch. Again, the same problem with the infobox and lead image, but there
was a gallery that popped over and I was quite pleased with that. I
published the article with no categories, because the categories didn't
line up this time as they did in the Spanish-Dutch case. Thinking over my
experience, I would prefer you incorporate the Wikidata item info to build
the infobox, rather than the source article. This would be a good trigger
for people to update the Wikidata item should they notice any differences.
I was working on a painting, but a generic biography infobox has already
been done with the PrepBio tool (from Magnus) so you could use that:
https://tools.wmflabs.org/magnustools/prepbio.php

On Sat, Jun 6, 2015 at 6:55 PM, Amir E. Aharoni <
amir.aharoni at mail.huji.ac.il> wrote:

> Hi Jane,
>
> Thanks for trying ContentTranslation and providing feedback. Replies
> inline.
>
> > I decided to translate a short article from Spanish to English
>
> Currently the extension is configured for translation *from* English, but
> not *to* English. This will probably be changed soon to allow translation
> to English, but there will be a proper separate announcement about this.
>
> > Then I tried to enable it for my 'Dutch userpage and
> > got the extension up and running for Spanish-Dutch but couldn't find
> which
> > link was the "from" link and the "to" link (a couple of tries and I got
> the
> > dashboard up and running).
>
> The easiest ways to open the dashboard are:
> 1. Hovering over the Contributions link at the top personal bar and
> clicking "Translations".
> 2. Opening the article that you want to translate and finding the language
> into which you want to translate in the interlanguage links list. (It's
> guessed automatically; for example, it's suposed to appear there if you
> selected it in ULS.)
>
> > Then I found myself in the Visual editor
>
> It's not *the* VisualEditor, but *a* visual editor - a very simple WYSIWYG
> editor. (It's possible that in the future it will be *the* VisualEditor,
> but there's no solid plan for it yet.) There are several reasons for doing
> it this way, see
> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Content_translation/Documentation/FAQ .
>
> > and tried to wikify some text with no luck.
>
> It doesn't support wiki syntax, as explained above. It supports simple
> formatting and adding links (the links support is being rewritten right now
> to be more stable and intuitive). Because it is not supposed to be a
> full-fledged article editing environment, it only provides the most basic
> formatting tools. For full-fledged wikification you can use the wikitext
> editor or the VisualEditor, whichever you wish.
>
> > I then clicked on one
> > of the reference links and lost my work.
>
> This is definitely a bug! Usually references work pretty well. Sorry about
> that. Which article was it?
>
> > I restarted the page and saved
> > some basics, but was disappointed that there was no translation of the
> > infobox or the image, which was what I was hoping for.
>
> We don't support infoboxes yet. It's very challenging technically, so for
> now we just ignore them, but we hope to have support for them in the
> future. Currently, ContentTranslation is mostly for the articles' prose,
> links, categories and images.
>
> It is supposed to support images. In fact, in the real-life demos that I'm
> doing it's the feature that experienced Wikipedians usually love the most.
> Unfortunately, it cannot support an image that is a part of an infobox.
>
> > Thanks for all of your work on this, because I do believe translating
> > existing content is a direction that I personally want to take in the
> > Wikiverse in general.
>
> Thank you very much again for the testing and the feedback! We'll do our
> best to address the bugs.
>
>
> --
> Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי
> http://aharoni.wordpress.com
> ‪“We're living in pieces,
> I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore‬
>
> 2015-06-05 12:41 GMT+03:00 Jane Darnell <jane023 at gmail.com>:
>
> > Amir,
> > This tool is great in theory and sounds wonderful but I am personally
> > having some trouble putting it into practice.The short video was VERY
> > helpful, but I am afraid I still ran into some problems on my second
> > attempt at a translation. Here is a roundup of links:
> >
> >
> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ee/Content_Translation_Screencast_%28English%29.webm
> >
> > I decided to translate a short article from Spanish to English but since
> my
> > Spanish is almost zero I first tried to change the translation interface
> to
> > English but no luck. Then I tried to enable it for my 'Dutch userpage and
> > got the extension up and running for Spanish-Dutch but couldn't find
> which
> > link was the "from" link and the "to" link (a couple of tries and I got
> the
> > dashboard up and running). Then I found myself in the Visual editor
> > (yikes!) and tried to wikify some text with no luck. I then clicked on
> one
> > of the reference links and lost my work. I restarted the page and saved
> > some basics, but was disappointed that there was no translation of the
> > infobox or the image, which was what I was hoping for.
> >
> > Here's the original:
> >
> >
> https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_sala_del_concejo_del_ayuntamiento_de_%C3%81msterdam
> > Here's the result (all I got was the Wikidata item link, lead sentence
> and
> > the category)
> > https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raadskamer_in_het_stadhuis_van_Amsterdam
> >
> > Wikimagic added the Dutch infobox already, but shouldn't this be possible
> > to do from the dashboard?
> >
> > Thanks for all of your work on this, because I do believe translating
> > existing content is a direction that I personally want to take in the
> > Wikiverse in general.
> > Jane
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Jane
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 3:23 PM, Amir E. Aharoni <
> > amir.aharoni at mail.huji.ac.il> wrote:
> >
> > > [ cross-posted to MediaWiki-i18n, Wikimedia-L and Wikitech-L ]
> > >
> > > Dear Wikimedians,
> > >
> > > The 2000th article that was written using the ContentTranslation
> > extension
> > > was published today.
> > >
> > > Article #2000 was translated from English to Greek, and it's about
> > Škocjan
> > > Caves, a UNESCO World Heritage site in Slovenia.
> > >
> > > Original: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C5%A0kocjan_Caves
> > > Translated:
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://el.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CE%A3%CF%80%CE%AE%CE%BB%CE%B1%CE%B9%CE%B1_%CF%84%CE%BF%CF%85_%CE%A3%CE%BA%CF%8C%CE%BA%CE%B3%CE%B9%CE%B1%CE%BD
> > >
> > > In case you're wondering what ContentTranslation is, here's a brief
> > > summary: ContentTranslation is an extension that helps Wikipedia
> editors
> > to
> > > create articles quickly and easily by translating them from other
> > > languages. It's being developed by the Language Engineering team. Its
> > > design started in the summer of 2013 and its coding started in early
> > 2014.
> > > You can find more info at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/CX as well as
> > in
> > > the following blog posts:
> > > *
> > >
> >
> http://blog.wikimedia.org/2015/01/10/content-translation-beta-coming-soon/
> > > * http://blog.wikimedia.org/2015/01/20/try-content-translation/
> > > *
> > >
> >
> http://blog.wikimedia.org/2015/04/06/content-translation-improved-my-edits/
> > > *
> http://blog.wikimedia.org/2015/04/08/the-new-content-translation-tool/
> > >
> > > Some more data about ContentTranslation:
> > > * Our first deployment was in mid-January to Catalan, Spanish,
> > Portuguese,
> > > Esperanto, Norwegian Bokmal, Danish, Indonesian and Malay. Now we
> support
> > > 43 languages, and this number is growing every week as we extend the
> > > deployment (a special thank-you to the Ops and Release Engineering
> > people,
> > > who continuously and tirelessly support our deployment effort).
> > > * In all the Wikipedias in which ContentTranslation is deployed, it is
> > > currently defined as a Beta feature, which means that it is only
> > available
> > > to logged-in users who opted into it in the preferences.
> > > * The 1000th article was written on April 10th, so it took much less to
> > get
> > > to 2000 than to 1000.
> > > * The language into which the most articles were translated is Catalan:
> > > 762. The Catalan Wikipedia community always had a strong inclination to
> > > translation, it was the first one that volunteered to test the tool in
> > labs
> > > in the summer of 2014 and provided a lot of useful feedback, and it
> also
> > > has good machine translation support thanks to the Freely-licensed
> > Apertium
> > > engine.
> > > * The second most popular target language is Spanish. It started slowly
> > in
> > > the first couple of months, but it's quickly growing since March.
> > > * Other target languages that are quickly growing lately are French,
> > > Portuguese and Ukrainian.
> > > * The language from which the largest number of articles is translated
> is
> > > English. It is followed by Spanish, from which a lot of articles are
> > > translated to the closely related Portuguese and Catalan.
> > > * The total number of people who published at least one translated
> > article
> > > into any language is 663.
> > > * Of more than 2000 articles that were created, about 60 were deleted,
> so
> > > we have a reason to think that the quality of the created articles is
> > > pretty OK.
> > > * In Catalan we see that ContentTranslation has some influence on the
> > > number of articles created per day - it was usually between 60 and 90
> > > before 2015, and in January and February it was over a 100. It's too
> > early
> > > to say how does it influence other languages, but we are optimistic ;)
> > > * A community discussion about enabling the tool in the French
> Wikipedia
> > > ended with 50 "votes" in support of the tool and 0 "votes" against it
> ;)
> > >
> > > Some of our plans for the coming months are:
> > > * Enabling more languages, including big ones like English, Russian and
> > > Italian, as well as right-to-left languages.
> > > * Improving the support for links.
> > > * Creating support for smart suggestions of articles to translate, as
> > well
> > > as "task lists" for translation projects.
> > > * Starting to get the tool out of beta status :)
> > >
> > > I'd like to thank all the Wikimedia volunteers around the planet who
> are
> > > participating in this effort by translating articles, translating the
> > > extension's user interface, testing the tool, assisting other
> wikipedians
> > > to translate, organizing translation workshops, reporting useful bugs,
> > > submitting patches, and generally proving day after day what an
> > incredible
> > > community they are - hard-working, massively-multilingual, helpful,
> > > patient, creative and talented.
> > >
> > > Thank you - we have a lot more to achieve together \o/
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי
> > > http://aharoni.wordpress.com
> > > ‪“We're living in pieces,
> > > I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore‬
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