[Mediawiki-i18n] Fallback sequences

[Amir E. Aharoni]

Custom per-user fallback sequences are great, but good defaults are
important as well.


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2014/1/23 Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen at gmail.com>

> Hoi,
> In Wikidata / Reasonator [1] we have a different approach. We allow for a
> more arbitrary fall back for labels within the "Reasonator". We would like
> to base the fall back on the information as provided by a user in his or
> her #babel template. We underline the labels that are not in the primary
> language in red. There is no API at this time so we have the technology for
> display but not yet a way to get that information for a user.
>
> In addition to this English is our ultimate fall back language HOWEVER
> when there is no label in English we take any language because a label in
> any language is more informative than for instance Q6502703.
> Thanks,
>       GerardM
>
> [1] http://tools.wmflabs.org/reasonator/test/?lang=ml,hi,te,ta&q=6502703
>
>
> On 19 January 2014 15:36, Seb35 <seb35wikipedia at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> Now Lua has access to the internal fallback sequences of MediaWiki [1],
>> so this can be used to gracefully degrade the translation of the templates
>> included in a page, by the means of {{Translatable template}} (also called
>> {{TNT}}) or auto-translated templates which use {{Fallback}}, mainly on
>> Commons. I worked on this yesterday [2].
>>
>> But I send this message mainly to show the comparison between the
>> fallback sequences of Commons vs MediaWiki [3].
>>
>> I guess some fallback sequences of Commons could be added to MediaWiki:
>> * af -> nl
>> * br -> fr (not sure)
>> * ckb -> fa
>> * en-gb -> en
>> * fy -> nl
>>
>> There is one conflicting fallback sequence:
>> * co -> fr (Commons) or it (MediaWiki)
>>
>> And some differences:
>> * pdt -> nds, de (Commons) or de (MediaWiki)
>> * nds -> nds-nl, de (Commons) or de (MediaWiki)
>> * nds-nl -> nds, nl (Commons) or nl (MediaWiki)
>>
>> And more importantly, the purposes of the fallback sequences are a bit
>> different inside a same language family/variant family: MediaWiki
>> specializes from general to variants (often by script), but Commons does
>> the opposite: degrades from variants to general. I find a feature could be
>> added in the Translate extension to give access to these "reverse fallback
>> sequences" by comparison to MediaWiki’s ones. This could be implemented
>> either by creating a small database (perhaps add the opposite parameter of
>> $fallback in the MessagesXX.php) either by computing these. This could be
>> used for the translation of the templates, in Special:MyLanguage [bug
>> 48292], and to redirect the translators to the general language (the
>> messages "Translate in zh please." in $wgTranslateBlacklist of
>> CommonSettings.php in Wikimedia config).
>>
>> [1] https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/101910
>> [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Module_talk:Template_
>> translation#Fallback
>> [3] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Fallback#
>> Comparison_of_the_fallback_sequences_between_.7B.
>> 7BFallback.7D.7D_and_MediaWiki
>> [bug 48292] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/48292
>>
>> ~ Seb35
>>
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