[Mediawiki-i18n] [Wikitech-l] Making inter-language links shorter
vssun9 at gmail.com
Fri Apr 19 09:05:51 UTC 2013
I suggest the list of languages should be displayed according to the
On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 3:43 AM, Yuri Astrakhan <yastrakhan at wikimedia.org>wrote:
> There are a few things (IMO) that should be done to langlist ordering:
> * Group by alphabet
> People who understand latin alphabet should get a list of all latin-using
> languages listed/sorted together. Cyrillic is a separate group, and so are
> various asian and middle-eastern languages. I have seen other sites do this
> (e.g. Google, but I can't quickly locate an example right now). Having all
> languages bunched up together make going through them extremely painful -
> one has to skip all the scripts not understood.
> * Each wiki site has different ordering requirements - like Hebrew and
> Hungarian wikis want English as the first link, or 'nn' uses 'no','sv','da'
> before all others. See pywiki<http://svn.wikimedia.org/svnroot/pywikipedia/trunk/pywikipedia/families/wikipedia_family.py>-
> * Lastly, but IMO - most importantly, we should honor user settings or
> browser settings. If my browser sends *Accept Language:
> en-US,en;q=0.8,ru;q=0.6*, it would be good to show english & russian at
> the top, followed by others.
> And for historical reasons: bug 2867<https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2867>...
> i filed it in 2005, it has over 60 votes (highest count in bugzilla if i'm
> not mistaken)...
> On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 9:57 PM, Brion Vibber <brion at pobox.com> wrote:
>> I was traditionally in favor of keeping the full language list visible,
>> but.... it's just too damn big in many cases and is hard to search through
>> on any device. On touch devices it's difficult to pick a correct item from
>> the list as all the links are adjacent (though if you zoom it's ok).
>> Definitely we need something improved, and if we're going to improve it we
>> need to do it for the default or we're failing to serve 99% of our
>> I'm not sure about the current demo; one thing that bugs me is that
>> a very small tap/click target for getting the full language list call-out.
>> Clicking on "Language" just hides/shows the short list, it doesn't do
>> anything. Clicking the "settings" gear icon next to "Languages" brings up
>> call-out with language-related settings.... none of which help you get to
>> another language version of the wiki.
>> On the mobile site we've collapsed the whole thing to an "Other languages"
>> section or button (depending on if you're in beta mode) at the bottom of
>> the article, and this seems to have gotten good usability responses from
>> mobile users.
>> On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 12:47 PM, David Gerard <dgerard at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > On 18 April 2013 20:43, David Gerard <dgerard at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > On 18 April 2013 17:50, Pau Giner <pginer at wikimedia.org> wrote:
>> > >> Please let me know if you see any possible concern with this
>> > > My first thought is of how upset people were when the first version of
>> > > Vector hid the language links by default. I would suggest being sure
>> > > there will be little or no similar objection.
>> > (hit send too soon, sorry)
>> > A simple solution that would avoid a similar reaction is: do not do
>> > this by default - make it only for logged-in users who want it that
>> > way.
>> > Possibly for default users, you could put the heuristically-calculated
>> > likely preferred languages at the top. But keeping the rest of the
>> > list below, right there on display, will (I predict) be favoured, as
>> > advertising the many languages of Wikipedia is a strongly-held value
>> > of many Wikimedians.
>> > - d.
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