[Mediawiki-i18n] Translating extensionsI'vewritten...forthcoming changes

Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen at gmail.com
Wed Dec 6 00:58:09 UTC 2006

Rob Church schreef:
> On 06/12/06, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen at gmail.com> wrote:
>> It has nothing to do with Rob, it has nothing to do with Nikerabbit, it
>> is simply not good enough.
Well actually, I asked if the messages that you need translating would 
be available in Betawiki. What I got from you was not pleasant.

I think translators deserve as much respect as developers do. When you 
think of this as "hijacking a threat", sorry it was applicable to what 
you announced; a whole set of applications that need translation. Not 
doing this in an efficient way is both inefficient and it will lead to 
poor results. It is a waste of time and the results will be as a result 
of a poor environment for translators. There is a good environment, it 
just needs to be used.

Translators are willing to translate when the effort is maximised so 
that the cost will be as little as possible. This is not bickering, this 
is making sure that we get the best job done possible.

> So there was no reason for the rudeness and ranting, other than that I
> was a convenient target? That is also unacceptable.
> I do not spend time considering new features, bug fixes and
> extensions, and making sure that other people are able to add
> translations, to benefit a bunch of users who we know are irritable,
> ungrateful and at times, counterproductive, to be screamed at because
> I didn't quite agree with one person's implementation of something.
> If there's a problem with the current mechanism via which translations
> are *generated*, then raise that as a separate issue; it can happen on
> this list - that's what it's here for.
> However, hijacking a thread in which I set out quite a reasonable
> explanation of what I was planning to do in order to wax lyrical about
> how shitty the system is is totally inappropriate.
> You'll find that nothing is ever "good enough" in open source
> development unless someone starts flashing cash about. We have to make
> the best of what we have, and we have to work together to positively
> produce something to make that better.
> I suspect we've had enough bickering to last this list several months.
> I suggest the developers return to developing, and the translators
> return to translating, and remember that those "titles" or roles are
> self-appointed and subject to change.
> Rob Church
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